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		<title>By: Amy McDaniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy McDaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks to the both of you, seriously. you&#039;ve given me lots to think about.</description>
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		<title>By: Amy McDaniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy McDaniel</dc:creator>
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		<description>thanks to the both of you, seriously. you&#039;ve given me lots to think about.</description>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot for the response(s), David. Take care.</description>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
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		<description>Thanks a lot for the response(s), David. Take care.</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, again, sorry to be too brief, I&#039;m kind of in a mind funk atm. I take the point about coercion as meaning most precisely that which is against, rather than simply beyond one&#039;s will but I take the day in Beckett to be coercive precisely because it is literally &quot;against&quot; will as a concept we use to think autonomy, that which we will or do not will. In a way, it sort of attaches its &lt;i&gt;own&lt;/i&gt; will to us, almost in the manner of Robert Heinlein&#039;s Puppet Masters. Also, I did mean a universal obligation to emancipate, actually. I find their individual lives were pained expressions of that obligation. Such an emancipative directive has no bearing on an actual systemic political commitment in the lives of either. It&#039;s an ethics against reality, though not anti-realist thereby: an ethics that they as conscience-ridden cannot refute or refuse. And it exists impersonally, even cruelly, in the same way that terror does. Thanks for the thoughts, man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, again, sorry to be too brief, I&#8217;m kind of in a mind funk atm. I take the point about coercion as meaning most precisely that which is against, rather than simply beyond one&#8217;s will but I take the day in Beckett to be coercive precisely because it is literally &#8220;against&#8221; will as a concept we use to think autonomy, that which we will or do not will. In a way, it sort of attaches its <i>own</i> will to us, almost in the manner of Robert Heinlein&#8217;s Puppet Masters. Also, I did mean a universal obligation to emancipate, actually. I find their individual lives were pained expressions of that obligation. Such an emancipative directive has no bearing on an actual systemic political commitment in the lives of either. It&#8217;s an ethics against reality, though not anti-realist thereby: an ethics that they as conscience-ridden cannot refute or refuse. And it exists impersonally, even cruelly, in the same way that terror does. Thanks for the thoughts, man.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, again, sorry to be too brief, I&#039;m kind of in a mind funk atm. I take the point about coercion as meaning most precisely that which is against, rather than simply beyond one&#039;s will but I take the day in Beckett to be coercive precisely because it is literally &quot;against&quot; will as a concept we use to think autonomy, that which we will or do not will. In a way, it sort of attaches its &lt;i&gt;own&lt;/i&gt; will to us, almost in the manner of Robert Heinlein&#039;s Puppet Masters. Also, I did mean a universal obligation to emancipate, actually. I find their individual lives were pained expressions of that obligation. Such an emancipative directive has no bearing on an actual systemic political commitment in the lives of either. It&#039;s an ethics against reality, though not anti-realist thereby: an ethics that they as conscience-ridden cannot refute or refuse. And it exists impersonally, even cruelly, in the same way that terror does. Thanks for the thoughts, man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, again, sorry to be too brief, I&#8217;m kind of in a mind funk atm. I take the point about coercion as meaning most precisely that which is against, rather than simply beyond one&#8217;s will but I take the day in Beckett to be coercive precisely because it is literally &#8220;against&#8221; will as a concept we use to think autonomy, that which we will or do not will. In a way, it sort of attaches its <i>own</i> will to us, almost in the manner of Robert Heinlein&#8217;s Puppet Masters. Also, I did mean a universal obligation to emancipate, actually. I find their individual lives were pained expressions of that obligation. Such an emancipative directive has no bearing on an actual systemic political commitment in the lives of either. It&#8217;s an ethics against reality, though not anti-realist thereby: an ethics that they as conscience-ridden cannot refute or refuse. And it exists impersonally, even cruelly, in the same way that terror does. Thanks for the thoughts, man.</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I don&#039;t think we&#039;re far apart at all, but to say necessity is always coercive (that is, not just beyond but against one&#039;s will) is to use the latter term in a rather loose sense. That&#039;s a nuance, though.

And now I understand that you&#039;re talking about those authors&#039; own felt obligation to emancipate through their writing, not some universal obligation they believed in. I can see how the work of both men was driven by a larger task (not sure I would define it the way you have) that they felt inadequate to, yet felt obliged to pursue.

Not to prolong this, but I think you&#039;re much closer in saying Kafka hated his writing because it wasn&#039;t adequate to the task he set for it than in supposing he didn&#039;t value the task itself. Far from wanting no more of the world, Kafka sacralized it; it was his own existence he saw as an abomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re far apart at all, but to say necessity is always coercive (that is, not just beyond but against one&#8217;s will) is to use the latter term in a rather loose sense. That&#8217;s a nuance, though.</p>
<p>And now I understand that you&#8217;re talking about those authors&#8217; own felt obligation to emancipate through their writing, not some universal obligation they believed in. I can see how the work of both men was driven by a larger task (not sure I would define it the way you have) that they felt inadequate to, yet felt obliged to pursue.</p>
<p>Not to prolong this, but I think you&#8217;re much closer in saying Kafka hated his writing because it wasn&#8217;t adequate to the task he set for it than in supposing he didn&#8217;t value the task itself. Far from wanting no more of the world, Kafka sacralized it; it was his own existence he saw as an abomination.</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I don&#039;t think we&#039;re far apart at all, but to say necessity is always coercive (that is, not just beyond but against one&#039;s will) is to use the latter term in a rather loose sense. That&#039;s a nuance, though.

And now I understand that you&#039;re talking about those authors&#039; own felt obligation to emancipate through their writing, not some universal obligation they believed in. I can see how the work of both men was driven by a larger task (not sure I would define it the way you have) that they felt inadequate to, yet felt obliged to pursue.

Not to prolong this, but I think you&#039;re much closer in saying Kafka hated his writing because it wasn&#039;t adequate to the task he set for it than in supposing he didn&#039;t value the task itself. Far from wanting no more of the world, Kafka sacralized it; it was his own existence he saw as an abomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re far apart at all, but to say necessity is always coercive (that is, not just beyond but against one&#8217;s will) is to use the latter term in a rather loose sense. That&#8217;s a nuance, though.</p>
<p>And now I understand that you&#8217;re talking about those authors&#8217; own felt obligation to emancipate through their writing, not some universal obligation they believed in. I can see how the work of both men was driven by a larger task (not sure I would define it the way you have) that they felt inadequate to, yet felt obliged to pursue.</p>
<p>Not to prolong this, but I think you&#8217;re much closer in saying Kafka hated his writing because it wasn&#8217;t adequate to the task he set for it than in supposing he didn&#8217;t value the task itself. Far from wanting no more of the world, Kafka sacralized it; it was his own existence he saw as an abomination.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy, oh yeah, absolutely. It&#039;s true there is a lot more in the idea of art as therapy than its total bastardisation as a concept by pop-psych. Weirdly, I think a lot of people already subscribe to the notion without quite realising: anybody, for instance, who tracks with Lacan, for instance, or more broadly Zizek, in theoretical terms, accepts a psychoanalytic conception of Fantasy as a kind of involuntary therapy - even if it&#039;s entirely excoriating and relentless and pitiless and scorching. Therapy certainly doesn&#039;t have to be character building. It can confirm one&#039;s pathology. 

Alan, hi, man. Unfortunately out of time (and steam) to give your reply the answer it deserves but I do hold that &#039;whether he liked it or not&#039; implies coercion not because one is more likely to not like it than to like it (Beckett&#039;s too wise to stake a position on that, as both assessments occur) but because it happens in perfect indifference to the orientation of one&#039;s desire in advance: it simply doesn&#039;t alter its bound occurrence that one likes or does not like it. So you&#039;re quite right to say that the coming of the day could be quite welcome by the subject even if it were detached from the subject&#039;s will but the day wouldn&#039;t much care for such welcoming either and thus, unavoidably, comes pre-set at cross-purposes to that welcome. Not to mention in Beckett one &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; to welcome the new day because the old one was always so terrible: a point both of ethical solidity (the new of the new day can never be surmounted as the same old thing because its opportunity is far too valuable to simply moot) as well as a depressing realisation of fortunes (the new day is a wretched opportunity, inevitably, wretched in that we cannot but embrace it, voluntarily or involuntarily, though it will smother us). I also do think there is an absolutely obligatory emancipatory decree in both Kafka and Beckett. Kafka&#039;s obligation to emancipate is found in the very fact he wrote, I think. That said, I don&#039;t think he was exactly approving of it. As you&#039;d know, he hated his writing, in part, because it was an abomination to him in its emancipatory nature, its otherworlding. Kafka partly wanted no more world of any kind. But he also hated himself for it because he never wrote &#039;well enough&#039; (or, in his own estimation, could never see through the emancipation of himself writing &lt;i&gt;innately&lt;/i&gt; was but never made happen). In both cases, liked or not liked, the emancipatory was obligatory. As for Beckett, I think he was less at odds with writing but the obligation to emancipate is as obligatory for him in that the fickle worstfulness of reality summons one to a burnt  conscience (but never burnt-out, hence its enduring agony).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy, oh yeah, absolutely. It&#8217;s true there is a lot more in the idea of art as therapy than its total bastardisation as a concept by pop-psych. Weirdly, I think a lot of people already subscribe to the notion without quite realising: anybody, for instance, who tracks with Lacan, for instance, or more broadly Zizek, in theoretical terms, accepts a psychoanalytic conception of Fantasy as a kind of involuntary therapy &#8211; even if it&#8217;s entirely excoriating and relentless and pitiless and scorching. Therapy certainly doesn&#8217;t have to be character building. It can confirm one&#8217;s pathology. </p>
<p>Alan, hi, man. Unfortunately out of time (and steam) to give your reply the answer it deserves but I do hold that &#8216;whether he liked it or not&#8217; implies coercion not because one is more likely to not like it than to like it (Beckett&#8217;s too wise to stake a position on that, as both assessments occur) but because it happens in perfect indifference to the orientation of one&#8217;s desire in advance: it simply doesn&#8217;t alter its bound occurrence that one likes or does not like it. So you&#8217;re quite right to say that the coming of the day could be quite welcome by the subject even if it were detached from the subject&#8217;s will but the day wouldn&#8217;t much care for such welcoming either and thus, unavoidably, comes pre-set at cross-purposes to that welcome. Not to mention in Beckett one <i>has</i> to welcome the new day because the old one was always so terrible: a point both of ethical solidity (the new of the new day can never be surmounted as the same old thing because its opportunity is far too valuable to simply moot) as well as a depressing realisation of fortunes (the new day is a wretched opportunity, inevitably, wretched in that we cannot but embrace it, voluntarily or involuntarily, though it will smother us). I also do think there is an absolutely obligatory emancipatory decree in both Kafka and Beckett. Kafka&#8217;s obligation to emancipate is found in the very fact he wrote, I think. That said, I don&#8217;t think he was exactly approving of it. As you&#8217;d know, he hated his writing, in part, because it was an abomination to him in its emancipatory nature, its otherworlding. Kafka partly wanted no more world of any kind. But he also hated himself for it because he never wrote &#8216;well enough&#8217; (or, in his own estimation, could never see through the emancipation of himself writing <i>innately</i> was but never made happen). In both cases, liked or not liked, the emancipatory was obligatory. As for Beckett, I think he was less at odds with writing but the obligation to emancipate is as obligatory for him in that the fickle worstfulness of reality summons one to a burnt  conscience (but never burnt-out, hence its enduring agony).</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy, oh yeah, absolutely. It&#039;s true there is a lot more in the idea of art as therapy than its total bastardisation as a concept by pop-psych. Weirdly, I think a lot of people already subscribe to the notion without quite realising: anybody, for instance, who tracks with Lacan, for instance, or more broadly Zizek, in theoretical terms, accepts a psychoanalytic conception of Fantasy as a kind of involuntary therapy - even if it&#039;s entirely excoriating and relentless and pitiless and scorching. Therapy certainly doesn&#039;t have to be character building. It can confirm one&#039;s pathology. 

Alan, hi, man. Unfortunately out of time (and steam) to give your reply the answer it deserves but I do hold that &#039;whether he liked it or not&#039; implies coercion not because one is more likely to not like it than to like it (Beckett&#039;s too wise to stake a position on that, as both assessments occur) but because it happens in perfect indifference to the orientation of one&#039;s desire in advance: it simply doesn&#039;t alter its bound occurrence that one likes or does not like it. So you&#039;re quite right to say that the coming of the day could be quite welcome by the subject even if it were detached from the subject&#039;s will but the day wouldn&#039;t much care for such welcoming either and thus, unavoidably, comes pre-set at cross-purposes to that welcome. Not to mention in Beckett one &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; to welcome the new day because the old one was always so terrible: a point both of ethical solidity (the new of the new day can never be surmounted as the same old thing because its opportunity is far too valuable to simply moot) as well as a depressing realisation of fortunes (the new day is a wretched opportunity, inevitably, wretched in that we cannot but embrace it, voluntarily or involuntarily, though it will smother us). I also do think there is an absolutely obligatory emancipatory decree in both Kafka and Beckett. Kafka&#039;s obligation to emancipate is found in the very fact he wrote, I think. That said, I don&#039;t think he was exactly approving of it. As you&#039;d know, he hated his writing, in part, because it was an abomination to him in its emancipatory nature, its otherworlding. Kafka partly wanted no more world of any kind. But he also hated himself for it because he never wrote &#039;well enough&#039; (or, in his own estimation, could never see through the emancipation of himself writing &lt;i&gt;innately&lt;/i&gt; was but never made happen). In both cases, liked or not liked, the emancipatory was obligatory. As for Beckett, I think he was less at odds with writing but the obligation to emancipate is as obligatory for him in that the fickle worstfulness of reality summons one to a burnt  conscience (but never burnt-out, hence its enduring agony).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy, oh yeah, absolutely. It&#8217;s true there is a lot more in the idea of art as therapy than its total bastardisation as a concept by pop-psych. Weirdly, I think a lot of people already subscribe to the notion without quite realising: anybody, for instance, who tracks with Lacan, for instance, or more broadly Zizek, in theoretical terms, accepts a psychoanalytic conception of Fantasy as a kind of involuntary therapy &#8211; even if it&#8217;s entirely excoriating and relentless and pitiless and scorching. Therapy certainly doesn&#8217;t have to be character building. It can confirm one&#8217;s pathology. </p>
<p>Alan, hi, man. Unfortunately out of time (and steam) to give your reply the answer it deserves but I do hold that &#8216;whether he liked it or not&#8217; implies coercion not because one is more likely to not like it than to like it (Beckett&#8217;s too wise to stake a position on that, as both assessments occur) but because it happens in perfect indifference to the orientation of one&#8217;s desire in advance: it simply doesn&#8217;t alter its bound occurrence that one likes or does not like it. So you&#8217;re quite right to say that the coming of the day could be quite welcome by the subject even if it were detached from the subject&#8217;s will but the day wouldn&#8217;t much care for such welcoming either and thus, unavoidably, comes pre-set at cross-purposes to that welcome. Not to mention in Beckett one <i>has</i> to welcome the new day because the old one was always so terrible: a point both of ethical solidity (the new of the new day can never be surmounted as the same old thing because its opportunity is far too valuable to simply moot) as well as a depressing realisation of fortunes (the new day is a wretched opportunity, inevitably, wretched in that we cannot but embrace it, voluntarily or involuntarily, though it will smother us). I also do think there is an absolutely obligatory emancipatory decree in both Kafka and Beckett. Kafka&#8217;s obligation to emancipate is found in the very fact he wrote, I think. That said, I don&#8217;t think he was exactly approving of it. As you&#8217;d know, he hated his writing, in part, because it was an abomination to him in its emancipatory nature, its otherworlding. Kafka partly wanted no more world of any kind. But he also hated himself for it because he never wrote &#8216;well enough&#8217; (or, in his own estimation, could never see through the emancipation of himself writing <i>innately</i> was but never made happen). In both cases, liked or not liked, the emancipatory was obligatory. As for Beckett, I think he was less at odds with writing but the obligation to emancipate is as obligatory for him in that the fickle worstfulness of reality summons one to a burnt  conscience (but never burnt-out, hence its enduring agony).</p>
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