Comments on: No One Would Ever Say That http://htmlgiant.com/craft-notes/no-one-would-ever-say-that/ the internet literature magazine blog of the future Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: HTMLGIANT / Your Own. Personal. Cliché. http://htmlgiant.com/craft-notes/no-one-would-ever-say-that/comment-page-1/#comment-62541 HTMLGIANT / Your Own. Personal. Cliché. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:02:49 +0000 http://htmlgiant.com/?p=29372#comment-62541 [...] mean, within reason) and I’m not sure they’re a poetry cliché (yet) (as commenters on my last post said of the moon) and I’m not sure they’re even a personal cliché because I’ve [...] [...] mean, within reason) and I’m not sure they’re a poetry cliché (yet) (as commenters on my last post said of the moon) and I’m not sure they’re even a personal cliché because I’ve [...]

]]> By: Tim Horvath http://htmlgiant.com/craft-notes/no-one-would-ever-say-that/comment-page-1/#comment-60156 Tim Horvath Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:28:53 +0000 http://htmlgiant.com/?p=29372#comment-60156 Norman Holland has some stuff on the topic--(<i>The Brain of Robert Frost</i> and, more recently, <i>Literature and the Brain</i>. There's also a bunch of stuff at Alan Richardson's site "Literature, Cognition, and the Brain." He doesn't update it anymore, but there's a pretty extensive bibliography at http://www2.bc.edu/~richarad/lcb/bib/annot.html. Norman Holland has some stuff on the topic–(The Brain of Robert Frost and, more recently, Literature and the Brain. There’s also a bunch of stuff at Alan Richardson’s site “Literature, Cognition, and the Brain.” He doesn’t update it anymore, but there’s a pretty extensive bibliography at http://www2.bc.edu/~richarad/lcb/bib/annot.html.

]]> By: Tim Horvath http://htmlgiant.com/craft-notes/no-one-would-ever-say-that/comment-page-1/#comment-145524 Tim Horvath Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:28:00 +0000 http://htmlgiant.com/?p=29372#comment-145524 Norman Holland has some stuff on the topic--(<i>The Brain of Robert Frost</i> and, more recently, <i>Literature and the Brain</i>. There's also a bunch of stuff at Alan Richardson's site "Literature, Cognition, and the Brain." He doesn't update it anymore, but there's a pretty extensive bibliography at http://www2.bc.edu/~richarad/lcb/bib/annot.html. Norman Holland has some stuff on the topic–(The Brain of Robert Frost and, more recently, Literature and the Brain. There’s also a bunch of stuff at Alan Richardson’s site “Literature, Cognition, and the Brain.” He doesn’t update it anymore, but there’s a pretty extensive bibliography at http://www2.bc.edu/~richarad/lcb/bib/annot.html.

]]> By: Steven Pine http://htmlgiant.com/craft-notes/no-one-would-ever-say-that/comment-page-1/#comment-60138 Steven Pine Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:20:57 +0000 http://htmlgiant.com/?p=29372#comment-60138 It is silly to have rules ( <- is that rule?) Singling out certain words as the first to be thrown against the wall come the revolution is strange, I agree with what Brian Foley wrote earlier, "But sometimes there is only the moon and the sound it makes". The fixation on individual words is ____, if anything words get in the way of writing poetry. This is also true in reading poetry, if any words are noticed by the reader then the poem is in trouble and better have an escape hatch or a clever excuse or...rules are silly, right? Having "content and language [be] inseparable" is a sentiment I also agree with, but isn't this a bit like saying when it rains I will get wet when I go outside without an umbrella? Besides, I believe most people who say this don't actually understand what they are saying (I'm not pointing any particular finger, only suggesting this phrase no longer engenders trust from me). Some T.S. Eliot follows: ... Words strain, Crack and sometimes break, under the burden, Under the tension, slip, slide, perish, Will not stay still. http://www.ubriaco.com/fq.html It is silly to have rules ( <- is that rule?)

Singling out certain words as the first to be thrown against the wall come the revolution is strange, I agree with what Brian Foley wrote earlier, "But sometimes there is only the moon and the sound it makes".

The fixation on individual words is ____, if anything words get in the way of writing poetry. This is also true in reading poetry, if any words are noticed by the reader then the poem is in trouble and better have an escape hatch or a clever excuse or…rules are silly, right?

Having "content and language [be] inseparable" is a sentiment I also agree with, but isn't this a bit like saying when it rains I will get wet when I go outside without an umbrella? Besides, I believe most people who say this don't actually understand what they are saying (I'm not pointing any particular finger, only suggesting this phrase no longer engenders trust from me). Some T.S. Eliot follows:

… Words strain,
Crack and sometimes break, under the burden,
Under the tension, slip, slide, perish,
Will not stay still.

http://www.ubriaco.com/fq.html

]]> By: Steven Pine http://htmlgiant.com/craft-notes/no-one-would-ever-say-that/comment-page-1/#comment-145523 Steven Pine Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:20:00 +0000 http://htmlgiant.com/?p=29372#comment-145523 It is silly to have rules ( <- is that rule?) Singling out certain words as the first to be thrown against the wall come the revolution is strange, I agree with what Brian Foley wrote earlier, "But sometimes there is only the moon and the sound it makes". The fixation on individual words is ____, if anything words get in the way of writing poetry. This is also true in reading poetry, if any words are noticed by the reader then the poem is in trouble and better have an escape hatch or a clever excuse or...rules are silly, right? Having "content and language [be] inseparable" is a sentiment I also agree with, but isn't this a bit like saying when it rains I will get wet when I go outside without an umbrella? Besides, I believe most people who say this don't actually understand what they are saying (I'm not pointing any particular finger, only suggesting this phrase no longer engenders trust from me). Some T.S. Eliot follows: ... Words strain, Crack and sometimes break, under the burden, Under the tension, slip, slide, perish, Will not stay still. http://www.ubriaco.com/fq.html It is silly to have rules ( <- is that rule?)

Singling out certain words as the first to be thrown against the wall come the revolution is strange, I agree with what Brian Foley wrote earlier, "But sometimes there is only the moon and the sound it makes".

The fixation on individual words is ____, if anything words get in the way of writing poetry. This is also true in reading poetry, if any words are noticed by the reader then the poem is in trouble and better have an escape hatch or a clever excuse or…rules are silly, right?

Having "content and language [be] inseparable" is a sentiment I also agree with, but isn't this a bit like saying when it rains I will get wet when I go outside without an umbrella? Besides, I believe most people who say this don't actually understand what they are saying (I'm not pointing any particular finger, only suggesting this phrase no longer engenders trust from me). Some T.S. Eliot follows:

… Words strain,
Crack and sometimes break, under the burden,
Under the tension, slip, slide, perish,
Will not stay still.

http://www.ubriaco.com/fq.html

]]> By: alan http://htmlgiant.com/craft-notes/no-one-would-ever-say-that/comment-page-1/#comment-60120 alan Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:11:26 +0000 http://htmlgiant.com/?p=29372#comment-60120 All right, I think I see what you're saying. Thanks btw for the interesting post. All right, I think I see what you’re saying. Thanks btw for the interesting post.

]]> By: alan http://htmlgiant.com/craft-notes/no-one-would-ever-say-that/comment-page-1/#comment-145522 alan Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:11:00 +0000 http://htmlgiant.com/?p=29372#comment-145522 All right, I think I see what you're saying. Thanks btw for the interesting post. All right, I think I see what you’re saying. Thanks btw for the interesting post.

]]> By: Elisa http://htmlgiant.com/craft-notes/no-one-would-ever-say-that/comment-page-1/#comment-60115 Elisa Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:40:34 +0000 http://htmlgiant.com/?p=29372#comment-60115 "This is confusing to me because I would think 'expression' implies the pre-existence of something that the poem serves to communicate." Thoughts aren't words on paper, the way a poem is words on paper, so yes, the poem is just an expression of the actual thought, which consists of neuronal firings. These firings can only be made intelligible to other humans via brain scans or some form of expression, in this case, artistic expression. Even if the plainspokenness is meta, I think the poem is still literally plainspoken. But point taken. “This is confusing to me because I would think ‘expression’ implies the pre-existence of something that the poem serves to communicate.”

Thoughts aren’t words on paper, the way a poem is words on paper, so yes, the poem is just an expression of the actual thought, which consists of neuronal firings. These firings can only be made intelligible to other humans via brain scans or some form of expression, in this case, artistic expression.

Even if the plainspokenness is meta, I think the poem is still literally plainspoken. But point taken.

]]> By: Elisa http://htmlgiant.com/craft-notes/no-one-would-ever-say-that/comment-page-1/#comment-145521 Elisa Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:40:00 +0000 http://htmlgiant.com/?p=29372#comment-145521 "This is confusing to me because I would think 'expression' implies the pre-existence of something that the poem serves to communicate." Thoughts aren't words on paper, the way a poem is words on paper, so yes, the poem is just an expression of the actual thought, which consists of neuronal firings. These firings can only be made intelligible to other humans via brain scans or some form of expression, in this case, artistic expression. Even if the plainspokenness is meta, I think the poem is still literally plainspoken. But point taken. “This is confusing to me because I would think ‘expression’ implies the pre-existence of something that the poem serves to communicate.”

Thoughts aren’t words on paper, the way a poem is words on paper, so yes, the poem is just an expression of the actual thought, which consists of neuronal firings. These firings can only be made intelligible to other humans via brain scans or some form of expression, in this case, artistic expression.

Even if the plainspokenness is meta, I think the poem is still literally plainspoken. But point taken.

]]> By: ryan http://htmlgiant.com/craft-notes/no-one-would-ever-say-that/comment-page-1/#comment-60064 ryan Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:37:54 +0000 http://htmlgiant.com/?p=29372#comment-60064 I get the joke—and maybe it's 'okay' as a joke, but, meh, even then I think we can try harder—but it's still not a very good poem. I get the joke—and maybe it’s ‘okay’ as a joke, but, meh, even then I think we can try harder—but it’s still not a very good poem.

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