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		<title>By: keith n b</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;a kinder, gentler meth&#039;  that&#039;s just awesome.</description>
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		<title>By: keith n b</title>
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		<description>&#039;a kinder, gentler meth&#039;  that&#039;s just awesome.</description>
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		<title>By: Rawbbie</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That one was so so good, also the Hard Boiled Detective is absolutely great.</description>
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		<title>By: Rawbbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rawbbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That one was so so good, also the Hard Boiled Detective is absolutely great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That one was so so good, also the Hard Boiled Detective is absolutely great.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Horvath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Horvath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, Evelyn, an auspicious first post. I think the idea of thought-experiments for fiction is very cool...some of my favorite writers do certain things along these lines, i.e. What if there were conscious entities at the Big Bang, what if the universe was an infinite library, etc? Right now I&#039;m reading China Mieville&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The City and the City&lt;/I&gt; and the experiment, the idea of two cities superimposed on one another, is kicking the plot&#039;s/characters&#039; ass so far in terms of making me care about it, though I&#039;m hoping that changes. I find my own stories venture out along these lines often as well (&quot;What if there was a city comprised entirely of restaurants?&quot; &quot;What if the study of shadows was a science?&quot; etc.). 

Panning back a little bit, esp. prompted by your citing of Dan Dennett above, Brian Boyd makes a case in &lt;i&gt;On the Origin of Stories&lt;/i&gt; that might be summed up in the notion that all fiction is a thought experiment of one sort or another. He writes that &quot;The ability to imagine the world as other than it is underpins pretend play, and the ability to conceive of alternatives underpins all modeling. Free thought needs alternatives and counterfactuals. A mental architecture that processes only true information remains severely constricted. Most discovery involves supposition....much of the indefinite enormity of possibility space has been made concrete and particular through the examples of story&quot; (pg. 197-199).

Fiction as thought-experiment...create some combustion, a new compound on paper...lives, half-lives: a kinder, gentler meth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, Evelyn, an auspicious first post. I think the idea of thought-experiments for fiction is very cool&#8230;some of my favorite writers do certain things along these lines, i.e. What if there were conscious entities at the Big Bang, what if the universe was an infinite library, etc? Right now I&#8217;m reading China Mieville&#8217;s <i>The City and the City</i> and the experiment, the idea of two cities superimposed on one another, is kicking the plot&#8217;s/characters&#8217; ass so far in terms of making me care about it, though I&#8217;m hoping that changes. I find my own stories venture out along these lines often as well (&#8220;What if there was a city comprised entirely of restaurants?&#8221; &#8220;What if the study of shadows was a science?&#8221; etc.). </p>
<p>Panning back a little bit, esp. prompted by your citing of Dan Dennett above, Brian Boyd makes a case in <i>On the Origin of Stories</i> that might be summed up in the notion that all fiction is a thought experiment of one sort or another. He writes that &#8220;The ability to imagine the world as other than it is underpins pretend play, and the ability to conceive of alternatives underpins all modeling. Free thought needs alternatives and counterfactuals. A mental architecture that processes only true information remains severely constricted. Most discovery involves supposition&#8230;.much of the indefinite enormity of possibility space has been made concrete and particular through the examples of story&#8221; (pg. 197-199).</p>
<p>Fiction as thought-experiment&#8230;create some combustion, a new compound on paper&#8230;lives, half-lives: a kinder, gentler meth.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Horvath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Horvath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, Evelyn, an auspicious first post. I think the idea of thought-experiments for fiction is very cool...some of my favorite writers do certain things along these lines, i.e. What if there were conscious entities at the Big Bang, what if the universe was an infinite library, etc? Right now I&#039;m reading China Mieville&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The City and the City&lt;/I&gt; and the experiment, the idea of two cities superimposed on one another, is kicking the plot&#039;s/characters&#039; ass so far in terms of making me care about it, though I&#039;m hoping that changes. I find my own stories venture out along these lines often as well (&quot;What if there was a city comprised entirely of restaurants?&quot; &quot;What if the study of shadows was a science?&quot; etc.). 

Panning back a little bit, esp. prompted by your citing of Dan Dennett above, Brian Boyd makes a case in &lt;i&gt;On the Origin of Stories&lt;/i&gt; that might be summed up in the notion that all fiction is a thought experiment of one sort or another. He writes that &quot;The ability to imagine the world as other than it is underpins pretend play, and the ability to conceive of alternatives underpins all modeling. Free thought needs alternatives and counterfactuals. A mental architecture that processes only true information remains severely constricted. Most discovery involves supposition....much of the indefinite enormity of possibility space has been made concrete and particular through the examples of story&quot; (pg. 197-199).

Fiction as thought-experiment...create some combustion, a new compound on paper...lives, half-lives: a kinder, gentler meth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, Evelyn, an auspicious first post. I think the idea of thought-experiments for fiction is very cool&#8230;some of my favorite writers do certain things along these lines, i.e. What if there were conscious entities at the Big Bang, what if the universe was an infinite library, etc? Right now I&#8217;m reading China Mieville&#8217;s <i>The City and the City</i> and the experiment, the idea of two cities superimposed on one another, is kicking the plot&#8217;s/characters&#8217; ass so far in terms of making me care about it, though I&#8217;m hoping that changes. I find my own stories venture out along these lines often as well (&#8220;What if there was a city comprised entirely of restaurants?&#8221; &#8220;What if the study of shadows was a science?&#8221; etc.). </p>
<p>Panning back a little bit, esp. prompted by your citing of Dan Dennett above, Brian Boyd makes a case in <i>On the Origin of Stories</i> that might be summed up in the notion that all fiction is a thought experiment of one sort or another. He writes that &#8220;The ability to imagine the world as other than it is underpins pretend play, and the ability to conceive of alternatives underpins all modeling. Free thought needs alternatives and counterfactuals. A mental architecture that processes only true information remains severely constricted. Most discovery involves supposition&#8230;.much of the indefinite enormity of possibility space has been made concrete and particular through the examples of story&#8221; (pg. 197-199).</p>
<p>Fiction as thought-experiment&#8230;create some combustion, a new compound on paper&#8230;lives, half-lives: a kinder, gentler meth.</p>
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		<title>By: keith n b</title>
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		<dc:creator>keith n b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so the first clause would be the thought experiment: what if our vision were as poor as our olfaction.  and the second clause would be an implementation, or one example of many, of that thought experiment.  

then, in a poem or literary text the thought experiment could either be explicitly stated or instead implied, meaning the first clause would be absent.  and in such a case, several instances of the unstated thought experiment (the first clause) would be required for the reader to extrapolate the underlying logic.  although, there would also need to be references to olfaction to thereby make sense of the skewed/blurry vision, perhaps by giving instances of hyper-sensitive olfaction to complete the entire logic of the implied thought experiment.  i don&#039;t know if i&#039;m speaking clearly here.  i&#039;m trying to distinguish between thought experiment as premise, and &#039;the conclusions drawn from it&#039; as &#039;how it would appear in the world&#039;, the birdishness being but one example of what would happen if vision = olfaction.  if [imagined thought experiment], then [outcome of applying the thought experiment to the world].    

so by reimagining certain premises, you can construct (via internal logic) different literary environments?  in the same way, einstein reimagined the basic premise of space and time by considering the speed of light as the only invariable, and thus (following the internal logic of that reasoning) our entire sense of reality became rearranged, i.e. space and time could now dilate and contract.  if i&#039;m interpreting you correctly, i think this aligns with some criticism i wrote about awhile ago regarding some contemporary authors i&#039;m intrigued by.  

with that understanding i would say, yes, i use thought experiments in my writing.  i&#039;ve even written an unpublished poem/text titled, &#039;gedanken experiment&#039;, which is the german and i think original neologism for &#039;thought experiment&#039;.  i love thought experiments.  i would build a house out of them if i could, but my reasoning is usually too weak to withstand any electricity or plumbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so the first clause would be the thought experiment: what if our vision were as poor as our olfaction.  and the second clause would be an implementation, or one example of many, of that thought experiment.  </p>
<p>then, in a poem or literary text the thought experiment could either be explicitly stated or instead implied, meaning the first clause would be absent.  and in such a case, several instances of the unstated thought experiment (the first clause) would be required for the reader to extrapolate the underlying logic.  although, there would also need to be references to olfaction to thereby make sense of the skewed/blurry vision, perhaps by giving instances of hyper-sensitive olfaction to complete the entire logic of the implied thought experiment.  i don&#8217;t know if i&#8217;m speaking clearly here.  i&#8217;m trying to distinguish between thought experiment as premise, and &#8216;the conclusions drawn from it&#8217; as &#8216;how it would appear in the world&#8217;, the birdishness being but one example of what would happen if vision = olfaction.  if [imagined thought experiment], then [outcome of applying the thought experiment to the world].    </p>
<p>so by reimagining certain premises, you can construct (via internal logic) different literary environments?  in the same way, einstein reimagined the basic premise of space and time by considering the speed of light as the only invariable, and thus (following the internal logic of that reasoning) our entire sense of reality became rearranged, i.e. space and time could now dilate and contract.  if i&#8217;m interpreting you correctly, i think this aligns with some criticism i wrote about awhile ago regarding some contemporary authors i&#8217;m intrigued by.  </p>
<p>with that understanding i would say, yes, i use thought experiments in my writing.  i&#8217;ve even written an unpublished poem/text titled, &#8216;gedanken experiment&#8217;, which is the german and i think original neologism for &#8216;thought experiment&#8217;.  i love thought experiments.  i would build a house out of them if i could, but my reasoning is usually too weak to withstand any electricity or plumbing.</p>
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		<title>By: keith n b</title>
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		<dc:creator>keith n b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so the first clause would be the thought experiment: what if our vision were as poor as our olfaction.  and the second clause would be an implementation, or one example of many, of that thought experiment.  

then, in a poem or literary text the thought experiment could either be explicitly stated or instead implied, meaning the first clause would be absent.  and in such a case, several instances of the unstated thought experiment (the first clause) would be required for the reader to extrapolate the underlying logic.  although, there would also need to be references to olfaction to thereby make sense of the skewed/blurry vision, perhaps by giving instances of hyper-sensitive olfaction to complete the entire logic of the implied thought experiment.  i don&#039;t know if i&#039;m speaking clearly here.  i&#039;m trying to distinguish between thought experiment as premise, and &#039;the conclusions drawn from it&#039; as &#039;how it would appear in the world&#039;, the birdishness being but one example of what would happen if vision = olfaction.  if [imagined thought experiment], then [outcome of applying the thought experiment to the world].    

so by reimagining certain premises, you can construct (via internal logic) different literary environments?  in the same way, einstein reimagined the basic premise of space and time by considering the speed of light as the only invariable, and thus (following the internal logic of that reasoning) our entire sense of reality became rearranged, i.e. space and time could now dilate and contract.  if i&#039;m interpreting you correctly, i think this aligns with some criticism i wrote about awhile ago regarding some contemporary authors i&#039;m intrigued by.  

with that understanding i would say, yes, i use thought experiments in my writing.  i&#039;ve even written an unpublished poem/text titled, &#039;gedanken experiment&#039;, which is the german and i think original neologism for &#039;thought experiment&#039;.  i love thought experiments.  i would build a house out of them if i could, but my reasoning is usually too weak to withstand any electricity or plumbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so the first clause would be the thought experiment: what if our vision were as poor as our olfaction.  and the second clause would be an implementation, or one example of many, of that thought experiment.  </p>
<p>then, in a poem or literary text the thought experiment could either be explicitly stated or instead implied, meaning the first clause would be absent.  and in such a case, several instances of the unstated thought experiment (the first clause) would be required for the reader to extrapolate the underlying logic.  although, there would also need to be references to olfaction to thereby make sense of the skewed/blurry vision, perhaps by giving instances of hyper-sensitive olfaction to complete the entire logic of the implied thought experiment.  i don&#8217;t know if i&#8217;m speaking clearly here.  i&#8217;m trying to distinguish between thought experiment as premise, and &#8216;the conclusions drawn from it&#8217; as &#8216;how it would appear in the world&#8217;, the birdishness being but one example of what would happen if vision = olfaction.  if [imagined thought experiment], then [outcome of applying the thought experiment to the world].    </p>
<p>so by reimagining certain premises, you can construct (via internal logic) different literary environments?  in the same way, einstein reimagined the basic premise of space and time by considering the speed of light as the only invariable, and thus (following the internal logic of that reasoning) our entire sense of reality became rearranged, i.e. space and time could now dilate and contract.  if i&#8217;m interpreting you correctly, i think this aligns with some criticism i wrote about awhile ago regarding some contemporary authors i&#8217;m intrigued by.  </p>
<p>with that understanding i would say, yes, i use thought experiments in my writing.  i&#8217;ve even written an unpublished poem/text titled, &#8216;gedanken experiment&#8217;, which is the german and i think original neologism for &#8216;thought experiment&#8217;.  i love thought experiments.  i would build a house out of them if i could, but my reasoning is usually too weak to withstand any electricity or plumbing.</p>
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		<title>By: Evelyn Hampton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evelyn Hampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an example of a thought experiment that illustrates how I think thought experiments relate to making environments out of language. It&#039;s from the book Consciousness Explained: &quot;If the resolution of our vision were as poor as the resolution of our olfaction, when a bird flew overhead the sky would go all birdish for us for a while.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an example of a thought experiment that illustrates how I think thought experiments relate to making environments out of language. It&#8217;s from the book Consciousness Explained: &#8220;If the resolution of our vision were as poor as the resolution of our olfaction, when a bird flew overhead the sky would go all birdish for us for a while.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Evelyn Hampton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evelyn Hampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an example of a thought experiment that illustrates how I think thought experiments relate to making environments out of language. It&#039;s from the book Consciousness Explained: &quot;If the resolution of our vision were as poor as the resolution of our olfaction, when a bird flew overhead the sky would go all birdish for us for a while.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an example of a thought experiment that illustrates how I think thought experiments relate to making environments out of language. It&#8217;s from the book Consciousness Explained: &#8220;If the resolution of our vision were as poor as the resolution of our olfaction, when a bird flew overhead the sky would go all birdish for us for a while.&#8221;</p>
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