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		<title>By: HTMLGIANT / Guest Post: Dave Clapper on New Editorial Directions at SLQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>HTMLGIANT / Guest Post: Dave Clapper on New Editorial Directions at SLQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] had a post a while back about the problems that slush presents for every lit mag. When magazines start out, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read an interview once where a poet suggested a moratorium on poetry.  For 10-20 years, nobody could publish anything.  He guessed that afterward, there would be maybe 12 people still writing, and those are the people we should read.  I think that number&#039;s a little low, but I like the sentiment.  An enema for the literary world&#039;s big ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an interview once where a poet suggested a moratorium on poetry.  For 10-20 years, nobody could publish anything.  He guessed that afterward, there would be maybe 12 people still writing, and those are the people we should read.  I think that number&#8217;s a little low, but I like the sentiment.  An enema for the literary world&#8217;s big ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read an interview once where a poet suggested a moratorium on poetry.  For 10-20 years, nobody could publish anything.  He guessed that afterward, there would be maybe 12 people still writing, and those are the people we should read.  I think that number&#039;s a little low, but I like the sentiment.  An enema for the literary world&#039;s big ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an interview once where a poet suggested a moratorium on poetry.  For 10-20 years, nobody could publish anything.  He guessed that afterward, there would be maybe 12 people still writing, and those are the people we should read.  I think that number&#8217;s a little low, but I like the sentiment.  An enema for the literary world&#8217;s big ass.</p>
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		<title>By: MC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe every writer believes their own work has unparalleled merit, their prose is God&#039;s gift to English literature, and that recognition of their particular genius is imminent, and would certainly be inevitable were the world just and fair and good.  Maybe over time, when their work is not received with open arms and cheering crowds, the fault lies with the gatekeepers, the system or the subsystem or the nature of a world in which we all are failures who can only attempt.  Then the only answer is shit in a bag, lunch by freight, or the happy galaxy of the interweb, where the like-minded congregate, commiserate, and imagine truckloads of shit sent anus to offending hand, slop, slop, suey.  Maybe. 

But it seems more likely that most lit journals, first tier, independent, and electronic, have their limitations-- all institutions become conservative over time, all editors are inclined in aesthetic toward their own idiosyncratic taste and all tend to like their friends work and be convinced *they* alone are the chosen few who have it right, and.  And as much as that happens, people make new things, try new things, find a home for those things, and that imperfect process really isn&#039;t so awful.  I say that having seen all sides of it-- a year ago, I had three hundred rejections and one publication in an e-journal of little consequence.  I simply persisted, and now my work has covered all tiers (short of that Harpers/NY&#039;er tippety-top) in twelve months, and having worked with all of them I have to say that all are pretty much the same.  The truth is, there&#039;s the work, and there&#039;s all the other idiots, and if you&#039;re doing the work and sending it out there an idiot or two might come around.  Or not. But it&#039;s actually not the fault of the world-- all the mediocre lit journals and the occasional actual excellent one and the ones you think are fine because your friend started it, or you want to sleep with an assistant editor, or your work appeared there one time... those things will continue to exist. The electric journal world and the new ways of consuming print will eventually resemble the old system in large part-- perhaps it all will be a little more democratic, less space between the author and reader, perhaps there will be more ability to &#039;share&#039;, perhaps new gatekeepers will exist, perhaps there will be greater diversity and we will all be linked into the great rhizome that is the web, but... the world will be the world, and writing will be writing, reflecting what is and what can be made to reflect or reify that.  And there will always be a need to find readers and communities that fit the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe every writer believes their own work has unparalleled merit, their prose is God&#8217;s gift to English literature, and that recognition of their particular genius is imminent, and would certainly be inevitable were the world just and fair and good.  Maybe over time, when their work is not received with open arms and cheering crowds, the fault lies with the gatekeepers, the system or the subsystem or the nature of a world in which we all are failures who can only attempt.  Then the only answer is shit in a bag, lunch by freight, or the happy galaxy of the interweb, where the like-minded congregate, commiserate, and imagine truckloads of shit sent anus to offending hand, slop, slop, suey.  Maybe. </p>
<p>But it seems more likely that most lit journals, first tier, independent, and electronic, have their limitations&#8211; all institutions become conservative over time, all editors are inclined in aesthetic toward their own idiosyncratic taste and all tend to like their friends work and be convinced *they* alone are the chosen few who have it right, and.  And as much as that happens, people make new things, try new things, find a home for those things, and that imperfect process really isn&#8217;t so awful.  I say that having seen all sides of it&#8211; a year ago, I had three hundred rejections and one publication in an e-journal of little consequence.  I simply persisted, and now my work has covered all tiers (short of that Harpers/NY&#8217;er tippety-top) in twelve months, and having worked with all of them I have to say that all are pretty much the same.  The truth is, there&#8217;s the work, and there&#8217;s all the other idiots, and if you&#8217;re doing the work and sending it out there an idiot or two might come around.  Or not. But it&#8217;s actually not the fault of the world&#8211; all the mediocre lit journals and the occasional actual excellent one and the ones you think are fine because your friend started it, or you want to sleep with an assistant editor, or your work appeared there one time&#8230; those things will continue to exist. The electric journal world and the new ways of consuming print will eventually resemble the old system in large part&#8211; perhaps it all will be a little more democratic, less space between the author and reader, perhaps there will be more ability to &#8216;share&#8217;, perhaps new gatekeepers will exist, perhaps there will be greater diversity and we will all be linked into the great rhizome that is the web, but&#8230; the world will be the world, and writing will be writing, reflecting what is and what can be made to reflect or reify that.  And there will always be a need to find readers and communities that fit the work.</p>
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		<title>By: MC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe every writer believes their own work has unparalleled merit, their prose is God&#039;s gift to English literature, and that recognition of their particular genius is imminent, and would certainly be inevitable were the world just and fair and good.  Maybe over time, when their work is not received with open arms and cheering crowds, the fault lies with the gatekeepers, the system or the subsystem or the nature of a world in which we all are failures who can only attempt.  Then the only answer is shit in a bag, lunch by freight, or the happy galaxy of the interweb, where the like-minded congregate, commiserate, and imagine truckloads of shit sent anus to offending hand, slop, slop, suey.  Maybe. 

But it seems more likely that most lit journals, first tier, independent, and electronic, have their limitations-- all institutions become conservative over time, all editors are inclined in aesthetic toward their own idiosyncratic taste and all tend to like their friends work and be convinced *they* alone are the chosen few who have it right, and.  And as much as that happens, people make new things, try new things, find a home for those things, and that imperfect process really isn&#039;t so awful.  I say that having seen all sides of it-- a year ago, I had three hundred rejections and one publication in an e-journal of little consequence.  I simply persisted, and now my work has covered all tiers (short of that Harpers/NY&#039;er tippety-top) in twelve months, and having worked with all of them I have to say that all are pretty much the same.  The truth is, there&#039;s the work, and there&#039;s all the other idiots, and if you&#039;re doing the work and sending it out there an idiot or two might come around.  Or not. But it&#039;s actually not the fault of the world-- all the mediocre lit journals and the occasional actual excellent one and the ones you think are fine because your friend started it, or you want to sleep with an assistant editor, or your work appeared there one time... those things will continue to exist. The electric journal world and the new ways of consuming print will eventually resemble the old system in large part-- perhaps it all will be a little more democratic, less space between the author and reader, perhaps there will be more ability to &#039;share&#039;, perhaps new gatekeepers will exist, perhaps there will be greater diversity and we will all be linked into the great rhizome that is the web, but... the world will be the world, and writing will be writing, reflecting what is and what can be made to reflect or reify that.  And there will always be a need to find readers and communities that fit the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe every writer believes their own work has unparalleled merit, their prose is God&#8217;s gift to English literature, and that recognition of their particular genius is imminent, and would certainly be inevitable were the world just and fair and good.  Maybe over time, when their work is not received with open arms and cheering crowds, the fault lies with the gatekeepers, the system or the subsystem or the nature of a world in which we all are failures who can only attempt.  Then the only answer is shit in a bag, lunch by freight, or the happy galaxy of the interweb, where the like-minded congregate, commiserate, and imagine truckloads of shit sent anus to offending hand, slop, slop, suey.  Maybe. </p>
<p>But it seems more likely that most lit journals, first tier, independent, and electronic, have their limitations&#8211; all institutions become conservative over time, all editors are inclined in aesthetic toward their own idiosyncratic taste and all tend to like their friends work and be convinced *they* alone are the chosen few who have it right, and.  And as much as that happens, people make new things, try new things, find a home for those things, and that imperfect process really isn&#8217;t so awful.  I say that having seen all sides of it&#8211; a year ago, I had three hundred rejections and one publication in an e-journal of little consequence.  I simply persisted, and now my work has covered all tiers (short of that Harpers/NY&#8217;er tippety-top) in twelve months, and having worked with all of them I have to say that all are pretty much the same.  The truth is, there&#8217;s the work, and there&#8217;s all the other idiots, and if you&#8217;re doing the work and sending it out there an idiot or two might come around.  Or not. But it&#8217;s actually not the fault of the world&#8211; all the mediocre lit journals and the occasional actual excellent one and the ones you think are fine because your friend started it, or you want to sleep with an assistant editor, or your work appeared there one time&#8230; those things will continue to exist. The electric journal world and the new ways of consuming print will eventually resemble the old system in large part&#8211; perhaps it all will be a little more democratic, less space between the author and reader, perhaps there will be more ability to &#8216;share&#8217;, perhaps new gatekeepers will exist, perhaps there will be greater diversity and we will all be linked into the great rhizome that is the web, but&#8230; the world will be the world, and writing will be writing, reflecting what is and what can be made to reflect or reify that.  And there will always be a need to find readers and communities that fit the work.</p>
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		<title>By: Tadd Adcox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tadd Adcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that the situation you&#039;re describing is all that different from the current small press world, given that most of us running journals and small presses are also writers, and, I would imagine, are attempting to publish stuff that furthers our own ideas of what&#039;s aesthetically interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that the situation you&#8217;re describing is all that different from the current small press world, given that most of us running journals and small presses are also writers, and, I would imagine, are attempting to publish stuff that furthers our own ideas of what&#8217;s aesthetically interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Tadd Adcox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tadd Adcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that the situation you&#039;re describing is all that different from the current small press world, given that most of us running journals and small presses are also writers, and, I would imagine, are attempting to publish stuff that furthers our own ideas of what&#039;s aesthetically interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that the situation you&#8217;re describing is all that different from the current small press world, given that most of us running journals and small presses are also writers, and, I would imagine, are attempting to publish stuff that furthers our own ideas of what&#8217;s aesthetically interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Audacity is missing from journals these days. Deviance from &#039;theme&#039; is missing these days. I&#039;m with you, Blake. There is a notion in publishing of having a &#039;finger on the pulse&#039; of some kind of authentic literary scene, as if it lived elsewhere, as if the representation of it (journals, reviews, etc.) wasn&#039;t in fact it&#039;s very home (outside of highly personal literary communities not based in publication). Who considers their literary circle in far better a light than the big literary publishers? I imagine many of you. Before editing became an exact profession, publishers would rely on writers having their own readers, from their own circle. If we think of the Bloomsbury Group, one would conclude that the editorial opinions of the group far outweighed the journals taking their work. This group had the last say, if you will, were the trend, the literary movement, the audacity, all rolled up in one conclave. Is this more ideal? I&#039;d be curious to hear what many of you (small publishers, online and otherwise) think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Audacity is missing from journals these days. Deviance from &#8216;theme&#8217; is missing these days. I&#8217;m with you, Blake. There is a notion in publishing of having a &#8216;finger on the pulse&#8217; of some kind of authentic literary scene, as if it lived elsewhere, as if the representation of it (journals, reviews, etc.) wasn&#8217;t in fact it&#8217;s very home (outside of highly personal literary communities not based in publication). Who considers their literary circle in far better a light than the big literary publishers? I imagine many of you. Before editing became an exact profession, publishers would rely on writers having their own readers, from their own circle. If we think of the Bloomsbury Group, one would conclude that the editorial opinions of the group far outweighed the journals taking their work. This group had the last say, if you will, were the trend, the literary movement, the audacity, all rolled up in one conclave. Is this more ideal? I&#8217;d be curious to hear what many of you (small publishers, online and otherwise) think.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Audacity is missing from journals these days. Deviance from &#039;theme&#039; is missing these days. I&#039;m with you, Blake. There is a notion in publishing of having a &#039;finger on the pulse&#039; of some kind of authentic literary scene, as if it lived elsewhere, as if the representation of it (journals, reviews, etc.) wasn&#039;t in fact it&#039;s very home (outside of highly personal literary communities not based in publication). Who considers their literary circle in far better a light than the big literary publishers? I imagine many of you. Before editing became an exact profession, publishers would rely on writers having their own readers, from their own circle. If we think of the Bloomsbury Group, one would conclude that the editorial opinions of the group far outweighed the journals taking their work. This group had the last say, if you will, were the trend, the literary movement, the audacity, all rolled up in one conclave. Is this more ideal? I&#039;d be curious to hear what many of you (small publishers, online and otherwise) think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Audacity is missing from journals these days. Deviance from &#8216;theme&#8217; is missing these days. I&#8217;m with you, Blake. There is a notion in publishing of having a &#8216;finger on the pulse&#8217; of some kind of authentic literary scene, as if it lived elsewhere, as if the representation of it (journals, reviews, etc.) wasn&#8217;t in fact it&#8217;s very home (outside of highly personal literary communities not based in publication). Who considers their literary circle in far better a light than the big literary publishers? I imagine many of you. Before editing became an exact profession, publishers would rely on writers having their own readers, from their own circle. If we think of the Bloomsbury Group, one would conclude that the editorial opinions of the group far outweighed the journals taking their work. This group had the last say, if you will, were the trend, the literary movement, the audacity, all rolled up in one conclave. Is this more ideal? I&#8217;d be curious to hear what many of you (small publishers, online and otherwise) think.</p>
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		<title>By: reynard</title>
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		<dc:creator>reynard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i can&#039;t spell because i&#039;m fake or something</description>
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