December 1st, 2008 / 5:13 pm
Mean
Mean Monday: Ryan Manning, here is your coveted attention
Ryan Manning is a persona only able to exist in the 21st Century blogosphere. His attention whore antics, flagrant theft of authors and sexual innuendoes have been filling the blog rolls since my first introduction to blogs almost 2 years ago. Amazingly, Ryan has never been called out for his behavior. I think people dismiss him as the little brother who is slow in mental capacity and clumsily claps his hands when excited.
He’s not a retard. He’s a narcissist. Here’s a blurb from http://www.narcissisticabuse.com/ :
Narcissism is categorized as a personality disorder by the mental health profession. It is referred to as NPD or Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Few are ever diagnosed because few go to therapy. Narcissism is not high self-esteem, but a condition where the typical narcissist suffers from
- Preoccupation with hiding real or perceived flaws
- Overestimation of importance, achievements, talents and skills
- Maladaptive attention seeking behavior
- Inability to empathize with others
- Excessive anger and shame in response to criticism often resulting in rage
The narcissist will often manipulate others, especially partners, to control them. Projection and blame are hallmarks of this manipulation. It is estimated that 85% of narcissists are males.
The sole item missing from the narcissistic abuse website definition is a picture of Ryan looking smarmy.
I will address each attribute with an example after the break.
Preoccupation with hiding real or perceived flaws
Mr. Manning is in his mid-twenties, resides in the confines of his mother’s basement and works slightly above minimum wage at the local coffee shop. He hides these facets from the general blog public. Using his writing as an example, one would think Ryan some sort of pussy getting super hero. His blog of various female manipulation methods (a post a day!) appears to be gone or hidden.
Overestimation of importance, achievements, talents and skills
Ryan’s modus operandi is extremely parasitic. His methodology of associating himself with Tao Lin (and now other writers) to feign importance is brilliant. I do applaud this particular skill. His leach tentacles are branching out towards Sam Pink lately. A “Sam Pink Intern” is on the horizon.
Maladaptive attention seeking behavior
Every molecule of Mr. Manning screams ‘LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!’ His misuse of Tao Lin quotes is legendary. Ryan is fond of skipping from blog to blog, leaving non-sequitur references to Tao Lin, usually devaluing the person’s blog by not addressing the actual post and waiting for the blogger to comment/email back out of confusion/hurt. I believe this ‘shot gun’ or ‘fish net’ approach is his most effective way of attention gathering/manipulation. Ryan feels no sympathy or pity after reading your latest post about your mother dying of cancer. Ryan wants you to know “the next night we ate whale” or “teenage girls will be preyed upon” because it has nothing to do with anything but garnering attention.
Inability to empathize with others
Recently Ryan created a blog-zine where he ‘interviewed’ bloggers asking a series of questions. 33% of the questions were about (did you guess it?) Ryan Manning. The remaining questions where vapid and nonsensical. I was amazed at how many people fell for the blatant manipulation. He fooled a blogger into thinking he was interested in their writing/personality, wanting to conduct an interview, turned the interview towards “Ryan Manning”, duplicated the effort several times, published it and then (this is the best part) got the authors to blog about being interviewed by Ryan Manning. I was in absolute awe of his manipulation skills.
The blog-zine is called THUNK.
Excessive anger and shame in response to criticism often resulting in rage
Ryan does show narcissistic rage when perceived as devalued or under-appreciated. The rage manifests itself in odd forms. Responding negatively to one of Ryan’s selfish non-sequitur comments, not linking him on your blog or ignoring his email/chat will induce his “narcissistic rage”.
Recently, Ryan made a passive aggressive comment towards me. It said ‘the lost art of motherfucking’. I turned it around and replied with ‘the lost art of fucking ryan manning’s mother’. The below email exchange ensued:
From ryan manning <beliefmask@gmail.com>
please stop writing things about my mother
my family has nothing to do with your negativity
i also encourage you to examine your perceptions
as you appear to be acting rather unconsciously
from Jereme Dean jdean33442@gmail.com
my negativity is completely my own accord. who are you to say what can and cannot be subjects of my ‘negativity’?
you’re a meaningless knock knock joke.
maybe later i will put forth some effort into a reply. probably not though. you aren’t that important.
that old asian bitch who stole my seat on the train this morning holds more significance than you in my reality.
good talk little buddy.
tell mama manning ‘hello’.
bye.
From ryan manning <beliefmask@gmail.com>
please stop
from Jereme Dean jdean33442@gmail.com
i’ll stop when you stop little buddy.
what you fail to realize in your narcissistic haze is my ‘negativity’ towards you has always been a reaction to something you have done.
i suggest you sit down in your basement and analyze it, identify it and stop it.
don’t throw rocks at the pit bull if you don’t like getting bit.high five
From ryan manning <beliefmask@gmail.com>
i will stop looking at your blog and refrain from posting comments on hmtl giant or anywhere else where i see your name, if that helps
i feel negative emotions toward you, and you appear to feel negative emotions toward me, though you have not told me the cause of it
i made a clear and simple request for you to not write about my family, and i suggested you might benefit from observing your actions
from Jereme Dean jdean33442@gmail.com
no that does not help. you fail to realize what it is that you are doing. sorry buddy, i’m not a teenage girl. i am an adult. i understand motivation.
i am glad you feel negative emotions towards me. you are weak and disgust me. each day i see your attention whore comments that you’ve ripped off of tao lin i think ‘why is he such a loser’. why are you such a loser ryan? i was hoping my being mean would motivate you to do something on your own. create something of your own. that would be nice. that’s what i wanted for you.
i think you’ve realized this partially and have been trying. it’s hard to discern what you have stolen and what is yours. you are a copy of a bad vhs recording of a made for tv movie shown on lifetime.
who says your request was not clear or simple? i didn’t. I also know what you ’suggested’. don’t act like a smarmy retard. your neutrality is fake. i can tell.
whatever. be a scared little bitch crying over nothing. i don’t care. you are small like a button to me. you are meaningless.
i am not judging you on what some one has told me like you think. that’s not it at all. sorry little buddy.
i’m judging you on your actions as a whole. you are weak and sad. you are an 80 year old man’s withered cock.
i just shake my head at you most of the time. sometimes though, you forget i’m not scared to speak my mind like all the other people who talk shit behind your back and say ‘poor ryan’ to your face.
i’m the real deal.
here’s a clear and simple request. go fuck yourself and stop leaving sexual comments to teenage girls on their blog.
or is that different than me saying ‘the lost art of fucking your over bearing mommy’?
i don’t think so.
okay there’s your response. at least i gave you enough respect to act as who i am and not some fake neutral tone smug prick.
yeah that would be you.
low five
Don’t let suckerfish manipulate you dear reader. You are in charge of your own actions/reactions. Start acting accordingly.
Tags: Attention Whores, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Ryan Manning
ryan manning is my dick, if it was asian
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barry,
i’m glad ryan manning is your dick, if it were asian.
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i like ryan manning’s lack of shit-talking and name-calling
i feel ryan manning has an above-average ability to empathize with others
i feel ryan manning does not have excessive anger, but probably below-average levels of anger
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tao,
thank you for thinking that. can you provide examples of why you feel his ability to empathize is above average?
anger is not the same as narcissistic rage
i think this attribute is his lowest shown by him
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the internet is overwhelming
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drama-rama
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‘you appear to be acting rather unconsciously’
I like that.
Manning doesn’t violate any of my personal ethics because I feel like there’s not enough of his person available to make a judgement. I see his blog commenting more like he’s running around throwing confetti on everyone. He’s never given me a reason to dislike him so by default, I’d drink a beer with him.
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i like ryan manning’s first name
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darby,
this is solely my opinion. i dislike ryan. that is obvious. i would dislike him less if other people were not easily susceptible to his manipulation.
“see his blog commenting more like he’s running around throwing confetti on everyone. ”
i already addressed my opinion on this:
” I think people dismiss him as the little brother who is slow in mental capacity and clumsily claps his hands when excited.”
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okie dokie
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barry’s dick would be in my asian.
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i like ryan manning. i wonder why he thinks he’s asian. is it his small penis or his ability to do complex mathematics in non-western ways or his advanced martial arts training or his similarity to that guy who gobbles all those hot dogs.
pr:
ohhh behave. (say it like austin powers)
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ii i i ryan manning makes me feel 200 yrs old. he can’t be older than 15?
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why does he make you feel 200?
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he’s mid twenties and lives at home with his mother pr.
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pr:
i forgot to tell you that im honored that your children know me on a first name basis. ha.
p.s. that was not an lol. fuck your lol jereme
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my lol trumps your fat head.
drown on your own semen.
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i like sarcastic mean better than real mean. i’m not sure which this is. i’m just saying.
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i watched step brothers on the plane ride home yesterday and its about two forty year olds who still live at home with their parents. fart jokes! when some cops ass raped some poor black dude with their night sticks in ny a million years ago, turned out the majority of them still lived at home with thier moms.
i left home at 14 in a very organized and good way, but still. fuck. btw- my sons? when they have a sick day and can’t go to school? I get really, really excited. the idea of them leaving me fills me with horror.
yes, my children know who you are, barry…you are famous in this household for bringing me much joy. and some sorrow. oh, life.
jereme, i admire your passion.
he makes me feel 200 yrs old…really. painful. i just don’t get it. I’m htmlgiant’s grandma and i’m cool with that.
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i don’t know if this piece is mean-maybe it is– or if it’s just jereme taking real issue with ryan manning. it’s sort of like a bad review, which everyone has to deal with, and how we deal with that matters to me, at least. but maybe i’m downplaying this. i’ve had some really nasty things said about my work. it hurt. but thats what happens when you put yourself out there. which is sort of funny, since i am anon here….hmmm.
BARRY!!!!!!!!!!
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actions deserve reactions
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kathryn it is a little bit of both. hybrid anger.
pr,
thank you. i like how you like my passion. i want to be extra nice to you so i can go live in your hut in the DR. not really but that would be super fantastic.
every one else,
i mean really, am i the only person who thinks that THUNK bullshit is self promoting propaganda?
the difference between me and ‘you’ is i dislike ryan manning for very specific reasons and am not afriad to be vocal.
‘you’ are sitting there talking shit about ‘jereme dean’ and don’t have the moxie to say anything to my face.
you are all a bunch of self loving pussies.
i have more respect for ryan manning than most people. at least he emailed me. i mean it was a lame email but he had the courage to do it.
i am disappointed in all of your conduct.
except PR and Barry. both of them have no problem telling me to shut the fuck up.
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i have moxie, jereme; fuck you!
see?
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this is like being in high school
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jereme, i think you have fancy cigar friends there, and dominicans are the most gracious hosts..sounds like you could stay in some nice ass place there. but my hut is open to you anytime. really. except when the four of us are there, cause its really small. but i am there so little now….someday that will change.
i think i looked at thunk. wasn’t it silly? like a fart joke? maybe i’m confusing it with something else.
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pr,
i’ve stayed in 5 star hotels and i’ve stayed in the gutter.
i prefer the gutter to be honest. a hut sounds sweet. i may call your bluff one of these days.
i know i can get into the fuente compound if i call in a few favors. they own quite a bit of land in the DR.
it was like a fart joke, but the joke was really about the guy farting and he had you blog about him.
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its not a bluff.
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ryan manning 2099
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I don’t think THUNK is self-promoting propaganda. I don’t think much of anything of it other than a site that interviewed some writers. Isn’t most shit out there self-promoting propoganda in some form anyway? What exactly is Manning promoting, like what product? I think he promotes Lin more than himself, and isn’t that, in a way, incredibly self-less? Compared to all of us who would never think to devote their promotion to anyone but ourselves? I think anyone who has a blog is self-promoting their propoganda in some way. Also, I don’t think I’m talking shit about you behind your back or anyone. Why do you think that?
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whats that song where the guy goes I’M THE BIGGEST BOSS THAT YOU SEEN THUS FAR? i could google it but i’d rather ask
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darby, i think jereme was being funny about that talking behind the back thing.
blake, i’m going now to google.
ok- pretty ricky? i do like this one line-
Gotta the biggest car spanish broads no bra
because i like no bras. bras hurt,. although they are necessary for running and other things.
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darby,
have you ever watched WWF? James Bond movies? I’m the bad guy. duh.
how do you feel he’s promoting tao lin? he doesn’t say ‘go read tao lin’, he doesn’t post a url, he doesn’t do any sort of promotion for tao lin.
he’s a parasite. he’s using tao lin to garner attention for his own ego. it has nothing to do with writing. what does that guy even write?
isn’t the point of an interview to ask the person questions about themselves?
ryan was able to pull off one of the biggest mass manipulations i’ve ever seen. ask questions about himself to various bloggers with readerships, create a zine or blog or whatever the fuck it’s supposed to be with almost no effort of his own and then get the damn authors to blog about ryan manning interviewing them.
WHAT THE FUCK DARBY.
how is that promotion? how is that anything more than pure and simple manipulation?
it’s disgusting.
why am i the only one who sees it?
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im not scared to talk shit about ryan manning, i just dont have a reason to.
he’s alright by me.
the funniest movie scene about someoneliving too long in their others house, to me, is that chaz scene in wedding crashers. will ferrell is such a fucking doofus. MOM. BRING US THE GODDAM MEATLOAF.
i dont know anything about the dr except that pr likes is so that makes it good enough for me.
and pr, you are not a grandmother, i hope not, cause thats not how i picture you when im jerking off. ha…….
although that would add a new element………..
and yeah, fuck self promoting. i’ll say more about that after you guys read my chapbook review on newpages that ryan call just posted today.
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yeah i keep going back and forth as to whether jereme is just doing a mean monday schtik or is being serious. I’ll play along anyway.
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http://www.newpages.com/bookreviews/2008_12/december2008_book_reviews.htm#not_a_speck
thanks a million ryan
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darby,
it’s both. i already said that.
i gotta go hit the train. i expect lots of comments when i return.
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okay, schtik then.
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“Baby grind with me Relax your mind take your time with me I love you deeper if you cry for me Now come and kiss me till yo body gets weak Just grind with me baby”
pretty ricky.
he’s a one hit wonder. blake how the hell did you know any song but this one.
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congrats barry on the review! really. you harold and maude motherfucka!
i am working on an essay on your book- with other stuff–tell you more later somewhere else…
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“a harold and maude motherfucka”… you dissin me?
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an essay on my book?
the chapbook?
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yes the chapbook. as you know, i love it, and i am trying to write about it- maybe just for my blog, which doesn’t get traffic, so maybe first i’ll send it out to some spots…more later…
i was not dissing you. i was trying to make a joke about the fact that i am the grandma here, and that you like me. but maybe it came off wrong. i would never diss you. i love you. sorry if that came off wrong. justmaking fun of how old i am- a favorite thing to do here-
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i was kidding. i have no idea who harold and maude are?
it is not a favorite thing ti make fun of your age here. only you do it? why?
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harold and maude is a movie that is very good, especially if you like cat stevens. which i do.( and eagles of death metal. both at the same time.)
it is about a young teenagey boy who falls in love with a very old woman. i really know very little about “cinema” because its not on espn or have vampires in it or is a law and order rerun, but i do like that movie. it’s sweet.
maybe my i’m old thing is old, but i am older than you all. i find you all invigorating.
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its a fine fine chapbook barry.
read it people.
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thanks ryan. great review. much appreciated.
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I’m not sure if this post is mean or ugly.
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the internet is for attention
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I’m having a difficult time finding a literary discussion here.
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somebody bring ryan in here to say kombucha bitches unite
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darby,
it is not shtick. I am over emphasizing, yes.
pr,
i’ve seen harold and maude. i love that movie. a lot of people should pay attention to how maude is living life and harold isn’t. i think it is very apropos considering some of the html giant audience/authors.
barry,
i like your shit.
adam,
thank you for your opinion. i would consider it mean and ugly.
brad,
clearly we are talking about barry’s chapbook
brandon,
yes.
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this was funny
your email was a little mean but funny
hooray mean monday
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drew,
thank you. i thought it was funny too. my email was supposed to be mean. i was being mean.
the guy said he had ‘negative emotions’ for me. wtf am i supposed to do? i can’t just sit quiet and show immense weakness.
i only put the email in there because i thought some of my lines were funny.
‘old withered cock’ 4 lyfe
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I sucked my first dick last night. No, not really. Not in concrete reality but in imagination. It was a throbbing warm pink cock attached to white legs and hips. The man did not have a face. I do not know why I did not associate a face to the body but I don’t think it was important.
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“a lot of people should pay attention to how maude is living life and harold isn’t. ”
DOORS OF PERCEPTION
BLOWN OFF THE MOTHERFUCKING HINGES
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thank you fist for quoting me.
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you’re a retard.
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basically from what I’ve seen you have absolutely no right to talk shit about anyone other that motherfucking Trig (and honestly – he’s delicate, lay off) and frankly I have not even a desperate, grasping clue as to who either you or ryan manning are because you both appear to be cripplingly stupid and incapable of conveying anything that even closely conveys a rational and/or interesting thought.
wait, wait
“I closed my eyes and shoved the dick in my mouth as far as I could. My mouth was full and I felt a tickle at the back of my throat. I tried to go a little farther and gagged instantly. I turned my head quickly to the side and vomited slightly in my mouth. Swallowed it. I was not enjoying my first dick.”
OH MY GOD STOP THE PRESSES
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fist,
i never claimed to be of sentient thought.
you should quote all of my bad writing. it doesn’t bother me at all.
how are you?
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i think i have a new number one fan.
fist, please refer to your self as jereme’s number one fan from now on.
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i talked to ryan manning once on gchat.
he seemed like a really nice person based on the not too long conversation we had.
i thought his commenting was annoying at first. i got used to it. now it seems comforting that he still does it.
i can’t think of any reason to shit-talk him unless he fucked your girlfriend or something, which i doubt happened because this is the internet. no one can put their penis into the internet and have it enter a vagina and/or asshole.
i think there should be a love day where we talk about people based on how cool they seem. their writing would have nothing to do with it.
ryan manning is ok by me.
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daniel.
on the contrary. i have g fucked many a honeys in my day.
im a fucking idiot.
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my self is nummah one fan of weetad shit takkah
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there is a dead ladybug on the keyboard in the library.
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i love ryan manning
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Matthew S. and Israel C. vaguely mentioned this post on their respective blogs.
I love Ryan in a way that a mother loves her child while he’s crying about a skint knee. i just want to put a band-aid on his knee and cook some soup and say ‘let’s feel happy at this moment and later on we can feel sad at some other time.’
Thank you for sticking to your guns, Jereme.
This post is necessary in the same way that it is necessary at times for one to hit a wasp nest with a stick.
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