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		<title>By: Ryan Call</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed this, also.

Go do stuff.</description>
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<p>Go do stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Call</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed this, also.

Go do stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed this, also.</p>
<p>Go do stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Robbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A truce has been made. I can live with that. Since I have no plans of entering this or any contest any time soon it was all pretty much a moot point to begin with. Just an offhand comment I made thinking it would be overlooked turned into a lively and time passing debate. Now I must get ready for work. The slot machines await me. I work 7pm until 3am so between this and looking at porn I managed not to get any sleep today. Good thing I&#039;m off tomorrow night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A truce has been made. I can live with that. Since I have no plans of entering this or any contest any time soon it was all pretty much a moot point to begin with. Just an offhand comment I made thinking it would be overlooked turned into a lively and time passing debate. Now I must get ready for work. The slot machines await me. I work 7pm until 3am so between this and looking at porn I managed not to get any sleep today. Good thing I&#8217;m off tomorrow night.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Robbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A truce has been made. I can live with that. Since I have no plans of entering this or any contest any time soon it was all pretty much a moot point to begin with. Just an offhand comment I made thinking it would be overlooked turned into a lively and time passing debate. Now I must get ready for work. The slot machines await me. I work 7pm until 3am so between this and looking at porn I managed not to get any sleep today. Good thing I&#039;m off tomorrow night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A truce has been made. I can live with that. Since I have no plans of entering this or any contest any time soon it was all pretty much a moot point to begin with. Just an offhand comment I made thinking it would be overlooked turned into a lively and time passing debate. Now I must get ready for work. The slot machines await me. I work 7pm until 3am so between this and looking at porn I managed not to get any sleep today. Good thing I&#8217;m off tomorrow night.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Call</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>god i feel like my math is wrong on all of this


darby, honestly, i have no idea what my concept is either. i was told to be mean. i have a hard time doing that, so i tried to be mean. drinking helps me.

i was thinking about that narrative thing - it seems easier to be mean to a big, established thing like narrative. narrative is a big robot. it is a website that eats people. narrative wont ever come to htmlgiant and argue back.

rooms outlast us and christopher robbins are humans. they are tiny and no one knows anything about them except they are struggling/getting started. maybe being mean to them is really bad and not what mean week should do? or maybe being mean to them is harder because it makes you (me) actually have to backup my meanness, or something. 

i want to see you post about mean week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>god i feel like my math is wrong on all of this</p>
<p>darby, honestly, i have no idea what my concept is either. i was told to be mean. i have a hard time doing that, so i tried to be mean. drinking helps me.</p>
<p>i was thinking about that narrative thing &#8211; it seems easier to be mean to a big, established thing like narrative. narrative is a big robot. it is a website that eats people. narrative wont ever come to htmlgiant and argue back.</p>
<p>rooms outlast us and christopher robbins are humans. they are tiny and no one knows anything about them except they are struggling/getting started. maybe being mean to them is really bad and not what mean week should do? or maybe being mean to them is harder because it makes you (me) actually have to backup my meanness, or something. </p>
<p>i want to see you post about mean week.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Call</title>
		<link>http://htmlgiant.com/random/john-gardner-bitch-slap/comment-page-2/#comment-94503</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>god i feel like my math is wrong on all of this


darby, honestly, i have no idea what my concept is either. i was told to be mean. i have a hard time doing that, so i tried to be mean. drinking helps me.

i was thinking about that narrative thing - it seems easier to be mean to a big, established thing like narrative. narrative is a big robot. it is a website that eats people. narrative wont ever come to htmlgiant and argue back.

rooms outlast us and christopher robbins are humans. they are tiny and no one knows anything about them except they are struggling/getting started. maybe being mean to them is really bad and not what mean week should do? or maybe being mean to them is harder because it makes you (me) actually have to backup my meanness, or something. 

i want to see you post about mean week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>god i feel like my math is wrong on all of this</p>
<p>darby, honestly, i have no idea what my concept is either. i was told to be mean. i have a hard time doing that, so i tried to be mean. drinking helps me.</p>
<p>i was thinking about that narrative thing &#8211; it seems easier to be mean to a big, established thing like narrative. narrative is a big robot. it is a website that eats people. narrative wont ever come to htmlgiant and argue back.</p>
<p>rooms outlast us and christopher robbins are humans. they are tiny and no one knows anything about them except they are struggling/getting started. maybe being mean to them is really bad and not what mean week should do? or maybe being mean to them is harder because it makes you (me) actually have to backup my meanness, or something. </p>
<p>i want to see you post about mean week.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Call</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, i will try to focus. my brain is hurting. heres what i think you&#039;re saying Rooms needs to do: complimentary subscription to entrants in the contest, winner receives $100 prize and half the proceeds from the sales.

am i right?

here&#039;s what Rooms is doing (from what i can tell): half the proceeds of sales to winner, complimentary subscription to the winner, and ten copies of the book.

i honestly feel like we&#039;re arguing over tiny things here now (and less meanly?). ive seen contests that dont offer anything to the entrants, ive seen ones that do. ive seen $20 chap contests, ive seen $10 chap contests. ive seen ones that give authors 10% of sales and 150 copies of the book, ive seen $1000 cash prizes. each press is different here. the standard seems to be that the author gets something. i agree.

so, sell the rooms chap for, say, $10 and sell all of them, that&#039;s maybe $2k, half to winner half to press (- the 10 copies that the author gets out of the print run...so minus $100). it looks like to me that Rooms has tried to involve the author in the selling, right? that&#039;s good incentive to try to sell all of the books you can. theyre managing the risk differently, trying to avoid having 150 copies of the book sitting around their apartment while the winner walks off with $1k and 50.

if they get 100 entrants (which would be fantastic), thats another $2k, right? take out of that the cost of printing the journal, and printing the chaps - i admit i dont know how much that&#039;ll cost. but to me, it seems like they&#039;ll have enough to run the press/journal. maybe i&#039;m wrong here? much of this i dont know, because i dont know how they plan to distribute things, how many entrants they&#039;ll get, how much it costs to print a 40page journal, how many issues they&#039;ll print, etc. hopefully, you&#039;re right and that $ is more than enough to cover the runs. if thats the case, theyve got room to grow as a young journal.

ugh, honestly, i don&#039;t even remember my point. 

look, they&#039;re giving the winner &#039;stuff.&#039; the winner is not getting ripped off. you seem to want a hard figure up front, and im saying the author will get that money from selling the books if the author works hard to do so. i dont know what more you want me to say, other than i agree with you that the entrants, the losers, should get a subscription?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, i will try to focus. my brain is hurting. heres what i think you&#8217;re saying Rooms needs to do: complimentary subscription to entrants in the contest, winner receives $100 prize and half the proceeds from the sales.</p>
<p>am i right?</p>
<p>here&#8217;s what Rooms is doing (from what i can tell): half the proceeds of sales to winner, complimentary subscription to the winner, and ten copies of the book.</p>
<p>i honestly feel like we&#8217;re arguing over tiny things here now (and less meanly?). ive seen contests that dont offer anything to the entrants, ive seen ones that do. ive seen $20 chap contests, ive seen $10 chap contests. ive seen ones that give authors 10% of sales and 150 copies of the book, ive seen $1000 cash prizes. each press is different here. the standard seems to be that the author gets something. i agree.</p>
<p>so, sell the rooms chap for, say, $10 and sell all of them, that&#8217;s maybe $2k, half to winner half to press (- the 10 copies that the author gets out of the print run&#8230;so minus $100). it looks like to me that Rooms has tried to involve the author in the selling, right? that&#8217;s good incentive to try to sell all of the books you can. theyre managing the risk differently, trying to avoid having 150 copies of the book sitting around their apartment while the winner walks off with $1k and 50.</p>
<p>if they get 100 entrants (which would be fantastic), thats another $2k, right? take out of that the cost of printing the journal, and printing the chaps &#8211; i admit i dont know how much that&#8217;ll cost. but to me, it seems like they&#8217;ll have enough to run the press/journal. maybe i&#8217;m wrong here? much of this i dont know, because i dont know how they plan to distribute things, how many entrants they&#8217;ll get, how much it costs to print a 40page journal, how many issues they&#8217;ll print, etc. hopefully, you&#8217;re right and that $ is more than enough to cover the runs. if thats the case, theyve got room to grow as a young journal.</p>
<p>ugh, honestly, i don&#8217;t even remember my point. </p>
<p>look, they&#8217;re giving the winner &#8216;stuff.&#8217; the winner is not getting ripped off. you seem to want a hard figure up front, and im saying the author will get that money from selling the books if the author works hard to do so. i dont know what more you want me to say, other than i agree with you that the entrants, the losers, should get a subscription?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Call</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, i will try to focus. my brain is hurting. heres what i think you&#039;re saying Rooms needs to do: complimentary subscription to entrants in the contest, winner receives $100 prize and half the proceeds from the sales.

am i right?

here&#039;s what Rooms is doing (from what i can tell): half the proceeds of sales to winner, complimentary subscription to the winner, and ten copies of the book.

i honestly feel like we&#039;re arguing over tiny things here now (and less meanly?). ive seen contests that dont offer anything to the entrants, ive seen ones that do. ive seen $20 chap contests, ive seen $10 chap contests. ive seen ones that give authors 10% of sales and 150 copies of the book, ive seen $1000 cash prizes. each press is different here. the standard seems to be that the author gets something. i agree.

so, sell the rooms chap for, say, $10 and sell all of them, that&#039;s maybe $2k, half to winner half to press (- the 10 copies that the author gets out of the print run...so minus $100). it looks like to me that Rooms has tried to involve the author in the selling, right? that&#039;s good incentive to try to sell all of the books you can. theyre managing the risk differently, trying to avoid having 150 copies of the book sitting around their apartment while the winner walks off with $1k and 50.

if they get 100 entrants (which would be fantastic), thats another $2k, right? take out of that the cost of printing the journal, and printing the chaps - i admit i dont know how much that&#039;ll cost. but to me, it seems like they&#039;ll have enough to run the press/journal. maybe i&#039;m wrong here? much of this i dont know, because i dont know how they plan to distribute things, how many entrants they&#039;ll get, how much it costs to print a 40page journal, how many issues they&#039;ll print, etc. hopefully, you&#039;re right and that $ is more than enough to cover the runs. if thats the case, theyve got room to grow as a young journal.

ugh, honestly, i don&#039;t even remember my point. 

look, they&#039;re giving the winner &#039;stuff.&#039; the winner is not getting ripped off. you seem to want a hard figure up front, and im saying the author will get that money from selling the books if the author works hard to do so. i dont know what more you want me to say, other than i agree with you that the entrants, the losers, should get a subscription?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, i will try to focus. my brain is hurting. heres what i think you&#8217;re saying Rooms needs to do: complimentary subscription to entrants in the contest, winner receives $100 prize and half the proceeds from the sales.</p>
<p>am i right?</p>
<p>here&#8217;s what Rooms is doing (from what i can tell): half the proceeds of sales to winner, complimentary subscription to the winner, and ten copies of the book.</p>
<p>i honestly feel like we&#8217;re arguing over tiny things here now (and less meanly?). ive seen contests that dont offer anything to the entrants, ive seen ones that do. ive seen $20 chap contests, ive seen $10 chap contests. ive seen ones that give authors 10% of sales and 150 copies of the book, ive seen $1000 cash prizes. each press is different here. the standard seems to be that the author gets something. i agree.</p>
<p>so, sell the rooms chap for, say, $10 and sell all of them, that&#8217;s maybe $2k, half to winner half to press (- the 10 copies that the author gets out of the print run&#8230;so minus $100). it looks like to me that Rooms has tried to involve the author in the selling, right? that&#8217;s good incentive to try to sell all of the books you can. theyre managing the risk differently, trying to avoid having 150 copies of the book sitting around their apartment while the winner walks off with $1k and 50.</p>
<p>if they get 100 entrants (which would be fantastic), thats another $2k, right? take out of that the cost of printing the journal, and printing the chaps &#8211; i admit i dont know how much that&#8217;ll cost. but to me, it seems like they&#8217;ll have enough to run the press/journal. maybe i&#8217;m wrong here? much of this i dont know, because i dont know how they plan to distribute things, how many entrants they&#8217;ll get, how much it costs to print a 40page journal, how many issues they&#8217;ll print, etc. hopefully, you&#8217;re right and that $ is more than enough to cover the runs. if thats the case, theyve got room to grow as a young journal.</p>
<p>ugh, honestly, i don&#8217;t even remember my point. </p>
<p>look, they&#8217;re giving the winner &#8216;stuff.&#8217; the winner is not getting ripped off. you seem to want a hard figure up front, and im saying the author will get that money from selling the books if the author works hard to do so. i dont know what more you want me to say, other than i agree with you that the entrants, the losers, should get a subscription?</p>
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		<title>By: Darby Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darby Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is my concept of mean week. That is a good question. It is too big, maybe I will write my own post on it.

I think you changed my mind on that last note. Ignoring a press can make an impact if enough people participate, I agree. If enough people ignore a war, governments will simply impose drafts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is my concept of mean week. That is a good question. It is too big, maybe I will write my own post on it.</p>
<p>I think you changed my mind on that last note. Ignoring a press can make an impact if enough people participate, I agree. If enough people ignore a war, governments will simply impose drafts.</p>
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		<title>By: Darby Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darby Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is my concept of mean week. That is a good question. It is too big, maybe I will write my own post on it.

I think you changed my mind on that last note. Ignoring a press can make an impact if enough people participate, I agree. If enough people ignore a war, governments will simply impose drafts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is my concept of mean week. That is a good question. It is too big, maybe I will write my own post on it.</p>
<p>I think you changed my mind on that last note. Ignoring a press can make an impact if enough people participate, I agree. If enough people ignore a war, governments will simply impose drafts.</p>
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