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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://htmlgiant.com/web-journals/magazine-databases-magazine-debasers/comment-page-1/#comment-30395</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming to this very late, but thanks.  This was a fantastic read.  And you are SPOT ON, brother.  Sure, places like Duotrope.com are a great start, but like you said, sometimes the best finds, the best places to hang, and hang out our dirty laundry, come from friends, cruising the internet, and the bookstores.  Very cool.

Peace,
Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming to this very late, but thanks.  This was a fantastic read.  And you are SPOT ON, brother.  Sure, places like Duotrope.com are a great start, but like you said, sometimes the best finds, the best places to hang, and hang out our dirty laundry, come from friends, cruising the internet, and the bookstores.  Very cool.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Richard</p>
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		<title>By: &#60;HTMLGIANT&#62; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8216;I Hate This Essay&#8217;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#60;HTMLGIANT&#62; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8216;I Hate This Essay&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] comment came late to Mike Young&#8217;s &#8216;Magazine Debasers&#8217; essay. I wanted to post it here, because it is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] comment came late to Mike Young&#8217;s &#8216;Magazine Debasers&#8217; essay. I wanted to post it here, because it is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dandelion</title>
		<link>http://htmlgiant.com/web-journals/magazine-databases-magazine-debasers/comment-page-1/#comment-7758</link>
		<dc:creator>dandelion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>something here smells like the ocean!

and its not anonymous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>something here smells like the ocean!</p>
<p>and its not anonymous.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Call</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>congratulations and good luck with your professional writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>congratulations and good luck with your professional writing.</p>
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		<title>By: the essay above</title>
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		<dc:creator>the essay above</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please read me and try again

thank you for the cliches</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please read me and try again</p>
<p>thank you for the cliches</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate this essay. This is all about the insular world of MFA &quot;writing.&quot; And if the author was at a &quot;top tier&quot; journal, he wouldn&#039;t have written it. But his own journal isn&#039;t even third-tier so he has to come up with this essay to defend it.

Truth is, most journals are full of sloppy writing, soft ideas, poor thinking, and all manner of third-rate junk.

I hate the MFA world. I am an independent: no degree, no connection to universities. I am a writer and I am published.

Here&#039;s my criteria for submitting to a magazine. It&#039;s simple. I just look at how much they pay. That&#039;s number one. Second is the audience. I look at their circulation (if it&#039;s print) or their hits / ad rate (if it&#039;s onine). I&#039;d sacrifice a little pay for more eyeballs, sometimes, but it&#039;s all about the money.

In other words, 95% of those &quot;journals&quot; are immediate nos for me, since they don&#039;t pay squat.

But that&#039;s how writing should be. It&#039;s how it used to be. If more writers went independent, and avoided the MFA schoolteacher CV &quot;credit&quot; world completely, then there would be less of these lame journals and maybe more real outlets that paid.

Remember, a magazine pays its writers because the magazine is professional, the writers who work for them are pros, and above all they have *readers*. These lamebrain unpaying journals don&#039;t have any of that. Who want them? Not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate this essay. This is all about the insular world of MFA &#8220;writing.&#8221; And if the author was at a &#8220;top tier&#8221; journal, he wouldn&#8217;t have written it. But his own journal isn&#8217;t even third-tier so he has to come up with this essay to defend it.</p>
<p>Truth is, most journals are full of sloppy writing, soft ideas, poor thinking, and all manner of third-rate junk.</p>
<p>I hate the MFA world. I am an independent: no degree, no connection to universities. I am a writer and I am published.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my criteria for submitting to a magazine. It&#8217;s simple. I just look at how much they pay. That&#8217;s number one. Second is the audience. I look at their circulation (if it&#8217;s print) or their hits / ad rate (if it&#8217;s onine). I&#8217;d sacrifice a little pay for more eyeballs, sometimes, but it&#8217;s all about the money.</p>
<p>In other words, 95% of those &#8220;journals&#8221; are immediate nos for me, since they don&#8217;t pay squat.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s how writing should be. It&#8217;s how it used to be. If more writers went independent, and avoided the MFA schoolteacher CV &#8220;credit&#8221; world completely, then there would be less of these lame journals and maybe more real outlets that paid.</p>
<p>Remember, a magazine pays its writers because the magazine is professional, the writers who work for them are pros, and above all they have *readers*. These lamebrain unpaying journals don&#8217;t have any of that. Who want them? Not me.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;m a little late to the ball game here, but since I am the person who made litmags.org, I feel obligated to respond.

First of all, I understand that your article isn&#039;t an attack on the site.

Second of all, I pretty much agree with what you&#039;re saying.  It should be a social thing.  Ideally, Litmags.org, like blogs, friends, stories that are passed along, is another part of the web of information.  That is why I built in the ability to comment and the social bookmarking (&quot;good mag!&quot;) thing.  Ideally, if the site gets enough traffic, the social aspect of sharing thoughts overtakes the whole points/stats thing.

The points system thing is more of a psychological gimmick than anything.  It &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; sort of for your Zelda coins, although I think the better video game analogy is to give people a feeling, like in the world of video games, there is a right thing, a way to score points.  People have to get past that initial animal anxiety (will people like me more if i read this and talk about ?) before they can get comfortable and think and enjoy something new for real.  

As far as the email I sent goes, I appreciate that it&#039;s hokey.  If you could read all the various anxieties I&#039;ve heard from editors about small things on the website being offensive or misleading, you&#039;d understand why it comes off as a kind of standardized pitch (hopefully they aren&#039;t reading this).  Not that I think it was wrong of them to be anal.  It&#039;s their product, and they have every right to want it represented in a way that matches up with their intentions.

Anyway, perhaps I&#039;ll submit something to NOO.  It does have a circulation of 2100.  That&#039;s, what, 30 Zelda points?  I only need 15 more to get an upgraded sword.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m a little late to the ball game here, but since I am the person who made litmags.org, I feel obligated to respond.</p>
<p>First of all, I understand that your article isn&#8217;t an attack on the site.</p>
<p>Second of all, I pretty much agree with what you&#8217;re saying.  It should be a social thing.  Ideally, Litmags.org, like blogs, friends, stories that are passed along, is another part of the web of information.  That is why I built in the ability to comment and the social bookmarking (&#8220;good mag!&#8221;) thing.  Ideally, if the site gets enough traffic, the social aspect of sharing thoughts overtakes the whole points/stats thing.</p>
<p>The points system thing is more of a psychological gimmick than anything.  It <em>is</em> sort of for your Zelda coins, although I think the better video game analogy is to give people a feeling, like in the world of video games, there is a right thing, a way to score points.  People have to get past that initial animal anxiety (will people like me more if i read this and talk about ?) before they can get comfortable and think and enjoy something new for real.  </p>
<p>As far as the email I sent goes, I appreciate that it&#8217;s hokey.  If you could read all the various anxieties I&#8217;ve heard from editors about small things on the website being offensive or misleading, you&#8217;d understand why it comes off as a kind of standardized pitch (hopefully they aren&#8217;t reading this).  Not that I think it was wrong of them to be anal.  It&#8217;s their product, and they have every right to want it represented in a way that matches up with their intentions.</p>
<p>Anyway, perhaps I&#8217;ll submit something to NOO.  It does have a circulation of 2100.  That&#8217;s, what, 30 Zelda points?  I only need 15 more to get an upgraded sword.</p>
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		<title>By: peter b</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i lost all my coins</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i lost all my coins</p>
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		<title>By: David Erlewine</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Erlewine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Mike.</p>
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		<title>By: sasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>sasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it was amazing.
and if you want to talk about an education that prepares you to in no way contribute to society, try getting a bfa. in ceramics.
the pinewood derby was fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it was amazing.<br />
and if you want to talk about an education that prepares you to in no way contribute to society, try getting a bfa. in ceramics.<br />
the pinewood derby was fantastic.</p>
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