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	<title>Comments on: Magazine Databases: Magazine Debasers?</title>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://htmlgiant.com/mean/magazine-databases-magazine-debasers/comment-page-2/#comment-30395</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming to this very late, but thanks.  This was a fantastic read.  And you are SPOT ON, brother.  Sure, places like Duotrope.com are a great start, but like you said, sometimes the best finds, the best places to hang, and hang out our dirty laundry, come from friends, cruising the internet, and the bookstores.  Very cool.

Peace,
Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming to this very late, but thanks.  This was a fantastic read.  And you are SPOT ON, brother.  Sure, places like Duotrope.com are a great start, but like you said, sometimes the best finds, the best places to hang, and hang out our dirty laundry, come from friends, cruising the internet, and the bookstores.  Very cool.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://htmlgiant.com/mean/magazine-databases-magazine-debasers/comment-page-2/#comment-100317</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming to this very late, but thanks.  This was a fantastic read.  And you are SPOT ON, brother.  Sure, places like Duotrope.com are a great start, but like you said, sometimes the best finds, the best places to hang, and hang out our dirty laundry, come from friends, cruising the internet, and the bookstores.  Very cool.

Peace,
Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming to this very late, but thanks.  This was a fantastic read.  And you are SPOT ON, brother.  Sure, places like Duotrope.com are a great start, but like you said, sometimes the best finds, the best places to hang, and hang out our dirty laundry, come from friends, cruising the internet, and the bookstores.  Very cool.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Richard</p>
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		<title>By: &#60;HTMLGIANT&#62; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8216;I Hate This Essay&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://htmlgiant.com/mean/magazine-databases-magazine-debasers/comment-page-2/#comment-12789</link>
		<dc:creator>&#60;HTMLGIANT&#62; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8216;I Hate This Essay&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] comment came late to Mike Young&#8217;s &#8216;Magazine Debasers&#8217; essay. I wanted to post it here, because it is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] comment came late to Mike Young&#8217;s &#8216;Magazine Debasers&#8217; essay. I wanted to post it here, because it is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dandelion</title>
		<link>http://htmlgiant.com/mean/magazine-databases-magazine-debasers/comment-page-2/#comment-7758</link>
		<dc:creator>dandelion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>something here smells like the ocean!

and its not anonymous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>something here smells like the ocean!</p>
<p>and its not anonymous.</p>
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		<title>By: dandelion</title>
		<link>http://htmlgiant.com/mean/magazine-databases-magazine-debasers/comment-page-2/#comment-100316</link>
		<dc:creator>dandelion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>something here smells like the ocean!

and its not anonymous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>something here smells like the ocean!</p>
<p>and its not anonymous.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Call</title>
		<link>http://htmlgiant.com/mean/magazine-databases-magazine-debasers/comment-page-2/#comment-7565</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>congratulations and good luck with your professional writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>congratulations and good luck with your professional writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Call</title>
		<link>http://htmlgiant.com/mean/magazine-databases-magazine-debasers/comment-page-2/#comment-100315</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>congratulations and good luck with your professional writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>congratulations and good luck with your professional writing.</p>
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		<title>By: the essay above</title>
		<link>http://htmlgiant.com/mean/magazine-databases-magazine-debasers/comment-page-2/#comment-7559</link>
		<dc:creator>the essay above</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please read me and try again

thank you for the cliches</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please read me and try again</p>
<p>thank you for the cliches</p>
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		<title>By: the essay above</title>
		<link>http://htmlgiant.com/mean/magazine-databases-magazine-debasers/comment-page-2/#comment-100314</link>
		<dc:creator>the essay above</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please read me and try again

thank you for the cliches</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please read me and try again</p>
<p>thank you for the cliches</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://htmlgiant.com/mean/magazine-databases-magazine-debasers/comment-page-2/#comment-7337</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate this essay. This is all about the insular world of MFA &quot;writing.&quot; And if the author was at a &quot;top tier&quot; journal, he wouldn&#039;t have written it. But his own journal isn&#039;t even third-tier so he has to come up with this essay to defend it.

Truth is, most journals are full of sloppy writing, soft ideas, poor thinking, and all manner of third-rate junk.

I hate the MFA world. I am an independent: no degree, no connection to universities. I am a writer and I am published.

Here&#039;s my criteria for submitting to a magazine. It&#039;s simple. I just look at how much they pay. That&#039;s number one. Second is the audience. I look at their circulation (if it&#039;s print) or their hits / ad rate (if it&#039;s onine). I&#039;d sacrifice a little pay for more eyeballs, sometimes, but it&#039;s all about the money.

In other words, 95% of those &quot;journals&quot; are immediate nos for me, since they don&#039;t pay squat.

But that&#039;s how writing should be. It&#039;s how it used to be. If more writers went independent, and avoided the MFA schoolteacher CV &quot;credit&quot; world completely, then there would be less of these lame journals and maybe more real outlets that paid.

Remember, a magazine pays its writers because the magazine is professional, the writers who work for them are pros, and above all they have *readers*. These lamebrain unpaying journals don&#039;t have any of that. Who want them? Not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate this essay. This is all about the insular world of MFA &#8220;writing.&#8221; And if the author was at a &#8220;top tier&#8221; journal, he wouldn&#8217;t have written it. But his own journal isn&#8217;t even third-tier so he has to come up with this essay to defend it.</p>
<p>Truth is, most journals are full of sloppy writing, soft ideas, poor thinking, and all manner of third-rate junk.</p>
<p>I hate the MFA world. I am an independent: no degree, no connection to universities. I am a writer and I am published.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my criteria for submitting to a magazine. It&#8217;s simple. I just look at how much they pay. That&#8217;s number one. Second is the audience. I look at their circulation (if it&#8217;s print) or their hits / ad rate (if it&#8217;s onine). I&#8217;d sacrifice a little pay for more eyeballs, sometimes, but it&#8217;s all about the money.</p>
<p>In other words, 95% of those &#8220;journals&#8221; are immediate nos for me, since they don&#8217;t pay squat.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s how writing should be. It&#8217;s how it used to be. If more writers went independent, and avoided the MFA schoolteacher CV &#8220;credit&#8221; world completely, then there would be less of these lame journals and maybe more real outlets that paid.</p>
<p>Remember, a magazine pays its writers because the magazine is professional, the writers who work for them are pros, and above all they have *readers*. These lamebrain unpaying journals don&#8217;t have any of that. Who want them? Not me.</p>
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