October 26th, 2009 / 1:53 pm
Mean

Glimmer Stain

Glimmer Train used to be a decent, if not rather traditional literary magazine but in recent years, they’ve really pushed the limits of credibility running contests every single month. To my mind, a contest is only meaningful if it is the exception rather than the rule. Winning one of their ubiquitous contests is like winning $2 on a $2 scratch ticket or a free small soda during McDonald’s Monopoly promotion. Their newest contest, for the Best Start to a story, quickly prompted an appropriate amount of ridicule and yet we all know people will continue to submit their stories and entry fees ($10-$20 per entry) to Glimmer Train in the fairly futile hope that it means something. At what point do we concede that Glimmer Train has become a vanity press?

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56 Comments

  1. Ryan Call

      #onewordoffliterarymagazines

  2. Ryan Call

      #onewordoffliterarymagazines

  3. David

      if it were only a vanity press, we would probably expect to see very few of their stories receive wider acclaim. last year 10 of their stories were picked as the 100 most distinguished stories by Best American Short Stories. They also do pretty well regarding Pushcart awards. I agree that the Best Starts award is a misstep on their part and they stand out like a sore thumb regarding the frequency of their contests, but it would be hard to marginalize them with regards to story quality at this point

  4. David

      if it were only a vanity press, we would probably expect to see very few of their stories receive wider acclaim. last year 10 of their stories were picked as the 100 most distinguished stories by Best American Short Stories. They also do pretty well regarding Pushcart awards. I agree that the Best Starts award is a misstep on their part and they stand out like a sore thumb regarding the frequency of their contests, but it would be hard to marginalize them with regards to story quality at this point

  5. Sarah

      Eh, maybe the contest frequency is silly, but I don’t see how that makes it a vanity press just because it’s a “for pay” system. I can’t name any writer friends who’ve won, and I’ve only ever been a finalist there myself (not that I’m a perfect gauge; but I’m not a horrible one either).

  6. Sarah

      Eh, maybe the contest frequency is silly, but I don’t see how that makes it a vanity press just because it’s a “for pay” system. I can’t name any writer friends who’ve won, and I’ve only ever been a finalist there myself (not that I’m a perfect gauge; but I’m not a horrible one either).

  7. Amelia

      Glimmer Train is boring. All press is vanity press.

  8. Amelia

      Glimmer Train is boring. All press is vanity press.

  9. Tim Jones-Yelvington

      Glimmer stain = fairy ejaculations?

  10. Tim Jones-Yelvington

      No, because if that were true it would be a far less boring publication

  11. Tim Jones-Yelvington

      Glimmer stain = fairy ejaculations?

  12. Tim Jones-Yelvington

      No, because if that were true it would be a far less boring publication

  13. Mike Meginnis

      Of course that may not be *strictly* about merit. You know, like how bands no one’s heard of never get a Grammy. And people who know how to write a story the Pushcart and BASS people will like are people who know how to please Glimmer Train.

      Same is true for more interesting venues, of course, but they’re a lot more honest about it. They claim to like what they like, in general, and not to know WHAT IS BEST.

  14. Mike Meginnis

      Of course that may not be *strictly* about merit. You know, like how bands no one’s heard of never get a Grammy. And people who know how to write a story the Pushcart and BASS people will like are people who know how to please Glimmer Train.

      Same is true for more interesting venues, of course, but they’re a lot more honest about it. They claim to like what they like, in general, and not to know WHAT IS BEST.

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  17. Matt Cozart

      If this were facebook, I would click “like” under this.

  18. Matt Cozart

      If this were facebook, I would click “like” under this.

  19. Blake Butler
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  21. Nathan Tyree

      word

  22. Nathan Tyree

      /clicking like/

  23. Nathan Tyree

      word

  24. Nathan Tyree

      /clicking like/

  25. Roxane Gay

      Well that is true!

  26. Roxane Gay

      Well that is true!

  27. Roxane Gay

      That’s something that would be worth seeing.

  28. Roxane Gay

      That’s something that would be worth seeing.

  29. Daniel Nester

      I’d say it’s tacky and sort of depressing.

  30. Daniel Nester

      I’d say it’s tacky and sort of depressing.

  31. Roxane Gay

      It really depresses me to no end. I have no problem with contests but every single month… seems excessive. And the real reason it depresses me is because so many of the people who submit are those people who are the very worst writers. Now, they are making that choice as consenting adults but still, at the end of the day, it is a little sad.

  32. Roxane Gay

      It really depresses me to no end. I have no problem with contests but every single month… seems excessive. And the real reason it depresses me is because so many of the people who submit are those people who are the very worst writers. Now, they are making that choice as consenting adults but still, at the end of the day, it is a little sad.

  33. Tim Jones-Yelvington

      It is sad, and essentially functions like a reading fee, but another part of me thinks it’s a pretty creative fundraising solution.

  34. Tim Jones-Yelvington

      It is sad, and essentially functions like a reading fee, but another part of me thinks it’s a pretty creative fundraising solution.

  35. Charles Dodd White

      I don’t know. Glimmer Train has never been one of my favorites, so I’m looking for a reason to hate them. They might do well with BASS and Puschart, but those selections are dubious at best to me. This seems like the next logical step for them. Yawn.

  36. Charles Dodd White

      I don’t know. Glimmer Train has never been one of my favorites, so I’m looking for a reason to hate them. They might do well with BASS and Puschart, but those selections are dubious at best to me. This seems like the next logical step for them. Yawn.

  37. Ellen Parker

      Yes. Probably one out of every three submitters to FRiGG has on his or her bio that s/he was a winner or a runner-up in one of Glimmer Train’s contests. This credential no longer holds meaning.

  38. Ellen Parker

      Yes. Probably one out of every three submitters to FRiGG has on his or her bio that s/he was a winner or a runner-up in one of Glimmer Train’s contests. This credential no longer holds meaning.

  39. Roxane Gay

      They must make a fortune.

  40. Roxane Gay

      They must make a fortune.

  41. Roxane Gay

      We get that very same thing. I now consider it the same as a Puschart nomination.

  42. Roxane Gay

      We get that very same thing. I now consider it the same as a Puschart nomination.

  43. Rauan Klassnik

      ouch!

  44. Rauan Klassnik

      ouch!

  45. Sean

      You win my OBVIOUS PRIZE for attacking a lit mag.

      Glimmer Train a whore???

      Really?

      [mean week]

  46. Sean

      You win my OBVIOUS PRIZE for attacking a lit mag.

      Glimmer Train a whore???

      Really?

      [mean week]

  47. Tim Jones-Yelvington

      I think their website still claims they don’t make enough to fund the magazine.

  48. matthew salesses

      You guys are mean

  49. Tim Jones-Yelvington

      I think their website still claims they don’t make enough to fund the magazine.

  50. matthew salesses

      You guys are mean

  51. Roxane Gay

      Tim, if that’s the case, they’re doing something wrong.

  52. Roxane Gay

      Tim, if that’s the case, they’re doing something wrong.

  53. Truth

      I’m just wondering if this is the perceived uber-cool now: cynical, nasty, condescending, fault-finding. It must be. I should get out from under my toadstool.

      What purpose did this post serve? Have you nothing better, nothing more positive to write about, than how and when Glimmer Train throws contests? I can find no other reason than sheer boredom that somebody would initiate this discussion.

  54. Truth

      I’m just wondering if this is the perceived uber-cool now: cynical, nasty, condescending, fault-finding. It must be. I should get out from under my toadstool.

      What purpose did this post serve? Have you nothing better, nothing more positive to write about, than how and when Glimmer Train throws contests? I can find no other reason than sheer boredom that somebody would initiate this discussion.

  55. Rudy

      I disagree with your reasoning, and I think “vanity press” just doesn’t apply to a journal that consistently has its short stories honored in anthologies and such. Given that GT gets about 40,000+ submissions each year, I imagine each contest has at least 1,000+ submissions. So, how is about a .001% chance of winning a contest, and getting paid at least $1,200 like paying $2 to win $2 for a scratch ticket?

  56. Rudy

      I disagree with your reasoning, and I think “vanity press” just doesn’t apply to a journal that consistently has its short stories honored in anthologies and such. Given that GT gets about 40,000+ submissions each year, I imagine each contest has at least 1,000+ submissions. So, how is about a .001% chance of winning a contest, and getting paid at least $1,200 like paying $2 to win $2 for a scratch ticket?