July 28th, 2011 / 3:35 pm
Craft Notes & Mean

Stop Doing This

Stop titling your stories, “What We _____ About When We _____ About ______.”

Seriously, stop it.

This is the literary equivalent of putting a bird on it. (If you don’t get that reference, please stop what you’re doing and go catch up with this joke. Ok. Thanks. Hi.) Using the “What We ______ About When We ______ About ______” title is no longer even an homage to Carver’s story and story collection, What We Talk About When We Talk About Love. I don’t know what anyone is even trying to accomplish by re-using that title anymore. If I was still reading slush for a magazine I would automatically delete any entries with this kind of title. All a title like that says to me is this piece was written by a lazy pseudo-hipster.

47 Comments

  1. tortietabbie

      People…people do that?

  2. MFBomb

      I feel like I should get some sort of credit for inspiring this post. 

  3. Benjamin Grislic

      talk talk lie lie impress impress how cool am i?

  4. Benjamin Grislic

      these are lyrics from a song from my friend’s band. Title: What We Talk About When We Talk About What We Talk About.

  5. Catherine Lacey

      Oh man, I didn’t know what you were talking about until I read some of the comments on Blake’s post. I actually had this in the drafts yesterday (weird) but yeah, MF, stop doing that.

  6. Osmon Steele

      Is it time for hate week yet or what

  7. MFBomb

      LOL! That’s crazy. 

  8. MFBomb

      What People Do When They Do What They Do

  9. Drew Lerman

      Wait, is there a lot of published stuff like this?  The only one I know of is the Murakami book, What I Talk About When I Talk About Running.

  10. christopher.

      That’s the only one I know of, too. And isn’t there a lit blog with a title that plays on this? 

      It baffles me that this is such a widespread problem. 

  11. Catherine Lacey

      when something is published that only means that it’s published.
      it’s still a dumb title.

  12. MFBomb

      All jokes aside, it doesn’t seem as common for books, but you do see at times in individually published stories.

      I see it sometimes in slush, but mostly variations, like:

      “When We ________” [milk the cow together]

      “We Do ___________” [the dishes]

      “What We ____________” [want/love/hate/eat, etc.]

  13. MFBomb

      All jokes aside, it doesn’t seem as common for books, but you do see at times in individually published stories.

      I see it sometimes in slush, but mostly variations, like:

      “When We ________” [milk the cow together]

      “We Do ___________” [the dishes]

      “What We ____________” [want/love/hate/eat, etc.]

  14. Leapsloth14

      What about the 2nd person POV “how to” story? Just read a couple of those in the new Fugue. Really? I mean can we include that here?

  15. MFBomb

      Good call.

      Those are so annoying.

  16. MFBomb

      Good call.

      Those are so annoying.

  17. sam salvador

      shit. better stop writing that story, then.

  18. deadgod

      What We Stamp Our Feet At When We Stamp Our Feet At Copycat Titles

  19. A King At Night

      Is there an online database of used up titles for things? Or can one be compiled? I would love it if I never saw anything else with the title “The Secret Life of _____” or even just “The ___ Life of ___” is enough to turn me off entirely.

  20. KKB

      There’s also “The Girl in ____” and her sisters, “The Girl With ___” and the “The Girl Who ____”

  21. dole

      The ____’s Daughter
      The ____’s Wife
      The ____’s Husband
      The ____’s Son (this one is rare)

  22. postitbreakup

      not exactly the same but strongly reminds me of these: http://snowclones.org/

      so what titles does everyone actually like?  i think “my loose thread” gets my vote

  23. Daniel Bailey

      how about any story that titled “How To ______”

      those stories never actually teach me any new skills.

  24. Anonymous

      THE TITANIC QUEER’S SON

  25. Anonymous

      WHAT WE RAP ABOUT WHEN WE RAP ABOUT GUNS

  26. Kevin R Spain

      what we talk shit about when we talk shit about talking shit. 

  27. dubya

      The hipsters are now hating on the pseudo-hipsters. Awesome.

  28. William Owen

      How to Chunder

  29. Otto Squeepopperific

      What We Talk About When We Talk About When We Talk About ‘What We Talk About When We Talk About Love’

  30. postitbreakup

      dubya dubya dubya bee

  31. Adam Robinson

      I always thought Carver got this from Augustine, who asked, “what do I love when I love my God?”

  32. Anonymous

      sorry to get overly serious in the thread but man do you remember getting woke up by that story? i do. so i guess i can excuse the want to give it its propers.

  33. deadgod

      What, then, is time?  If no one asks me, I know what it is.  If I want to explain it to one who asks, I do not know.

  34. Scottmcclanahan

      Damn, there goes the title of my new novel. 

  35. kevocuinn

      cringe

  36. Guest

      Also in need of a moratorium: Thirteen Ways of Looking at a _____. 

      Mostly journalists are guilty that one. Just as “What We…” isn’t homage to Carver anymore, 13…. no longer has anything to do with Wallace Stevens.

  37. richard chiem

      SUICIDE by Edouard Leve is in the 2nd person. You should check it out.

      Also, online ‘How To Be Alone’ by Megan Boyle does something new with POV

  38. deadgod

      I

      Well, that’s one perspective.

  39. mimi

      “Will You Please Be Quiet Please”

  40. mimi

      That wasn’t intended for you, deaders, sorry.

  41. deadgod

      Straight Outta Somewhere Beastly So Run Like Fuck, Pussy

  42. deadgod

      my bad, but I don’t – apologies – think you’re really ‘sorry’ (no offense)

      I rilly wish we hadn’t had to have this talk

  43. mimi

      It was meant for the general Carver-Title-thought comment-thread, deaders, I accidentally replied to yours, the bottom comment at the time.

      I also wish we hadn’t had to have this talk.
      But now that we have had this talk, I’m glad that we have had this talk.
      Thanks.

  44. deadgod

      that is the little talk we have when we have a little talk about the little talk we have when we have a little talk

      (you owe me an apology for not realizing that I was making a joke about apologizing for the joke we make when we joke about apologizing)

  45. mimi

      Will You Please Forgive Me Please?

  46. postitbreakup

      You mean the girl in the flammable skirt with curious hair, the dragon tattoo, & a pearl earring who kicked the hornets’ nest, could fly, disappeared twice, loved Tom Gordon, and circumnavigated fairyland in a ship of her own making?

      I met her, she’s a bitch.

  47. Sarah

      And, for pictures: “What I look like when I wanna look like I’m _________.”