I didn’t grasp the whole thing about his father, but people can’t really control who their folks are, and in a forum that’s ostensibly about books, the post seemed like pure assholery and below the belt. In my opinion, it was taking things a little further than mean-spiritedness. I realize that being a jerk is your schtick/outlook/aim/prerogative, and I’m not a fan of Justin’s either, but your poetry sucks as much (more?) than his fiction. And no one is discussing your daddy.
who said justin’s fiction sucked or my poetry didn’t.
think it’s humorous that the near harmless daddy comment is what you’re focusing on. a ‘hippy turned yuppy’ is only negative if you’re against yuppyism, which the majority of americans are not.
the post, dear verve, was in tribute to the old days of htmlg, where mean mondays existed.
back when ‘nothing is true, everything is permitted’ was the mantra of this iron lung.
before all the cry babies cried their crocodile tears to strip it down to the emasculated ruin it is now..
htmlg started out as a commune of individuals and is being laid to rest as a museum of conformity.
and the only reason why i made such a post is because i made the mistake of taking these words to heart: ‘the next few weeks will hopefully be interesting, because if there’s
anything this website deserves it’s an uncontrolled flameout.’
all of you weak-ass dickfaces need to comprehend what i posted was a joke.
I didn’t see a thing wrong with the post, not that it matters what the hell I think, or anything else. I understood the mean monday posts were just roasts or whatever. I say put it back up. If it’s going to flame out, then let it flame out. This is pissing on the fire. Put the post back up and be damned. Be incredible. Be real. Don’t take yourself or anyone else so seriously. Good lord.
You behave like a high school student who thinks he’s so tough or that he sees through the shit that no one else does. “Hey guys, it was a joke! Sheesh! Can’t you take a joke?! I’m a total nonconformist and you’re a bunch of sheeple. I’ll be in my room listening to Minor Threat while you guys watch Family Ties!”
You’re not coming across as anything other than a pathetic, lonely “poet” (gag) desperate for a community and recalling HTMLGIANT’s past in a glorified way–back when everyone was so fucking rad and they totally got jokes and didn’t cry crocodile tears, etc.
“By not directly engaging in the comments section and instead making all remarks on what follows my post as an edit in the original post, I maintain my lofty position as ‘original poster,’ affording me the power to carelessly judge with impunity those whose words can only and literally exist underneath my own.”
The original post was mean and could be read as homophobic, but if you have read anything by Justin Taylor it was hilarious. Why the fuck are we deleting things that will be erased forever in ten days. Justin’s latest collection is terrible, although that maybe isn’t fair of me since I only read the first four stories. I suggest that those of us who like Jereme’s post and hate what htmlgiant has become go to JTs goodreads/amazon page and leave a mark that won’t be erased when someone whines.
According to Gene, the site won’t “be erased” when posting at it ceases; it’ll continue to be up non-interactively for a while. And jereme’s listicle of Taylor’s posts has been cached elsewhere.
Your example of Taylor’s, eh, prickliness and taste for invective is apposite. Maybe an attack that was more focused (and so less vacuously ‘personal’) would’ve struck the offended as “hilarious” and not emptily malicious in its obnoxiousness.
jereme’s breakdown of “Justin’s writing” consisted of repetition of one recurring theme in Taylor’s writing (“a topic nobody gives a fuck enough to read [about]: himself”), and a robotically hostile list of Taylor’s writing’s faults.
No discussion, no evidence (except the list of Taylor’s blogicles that, I’m just guessing, are clickable from this site’s contributors’ pages), and tantalizing remarks that seem to indicate corruption.
Nothing substantial even at the level of ‘it was a joke ≠ just kidding’.
An example of personal would be “his hippy turned yuppy dad”.
His hippy/yuppy upbringing is clear in his dead head writing. Maybe it was his mom. And I sure wish I could see Jereme’s post so I could revisit what it was he said. Jereme also mentioned how Justin loves milking Joshua Cohen and constantly pointing out how he once had a gay experience as if it shows how adventurous/open minded he is. After that I don’t remember much of the post.
Everything in the post concerning justin was directly correlated to his htmlg posts. Some I made an educated guess about, like, the stuff about his dad and the book deal.
Figured his dad was the hippy turned yuppy influence since justin is constantly glorifying a cliche stereotype of the older, hard drinking man image.
For all I know, justin’s dad is a butch dyke named clarice who’s handy with a turkey baster or was killed during by a meteorite when lil justin was 3mos old.
The book deal mention wouldn’t have even been in there but ol’ jt sure likes to brag about his accomplishments and connections. And it seemed pretty obvious, since 4 months later, blake suddenly had a deal with the same people.
I don’t even think there’s anything wrong if that’s how it was accomplished. Blake can still out write most everyone and it’s not like anyone in this dumb scene wouldn’t do the same if the chance materialized.
The only aspect of what I wrote that was a personal attack was likening him to a duck, which actually isn’t my original material, others have said it to me.
Hate me, or whatever, but that shit is funny.
I always find the faux outrage laughingly pathetic when I make a ‘mean’ post because most everyone has said similar things behind closed doors, maybe not about justin, but others.
Like, in the past, ol’ adam ‘bird just crapped in my beard’ robinson…
That fucking weasel shit talked me left and right, lied to my girlfriend about making a book of her photography, avoided taking responsibility, kept stringing her along with bullshit and refused to admit anything until I took the screws to him publicly.
And suddenly, poof, everything I heard was true! and my girl gets an email finally saying ‘this is too expensive to do.’ Wow, took over 12 months to figure that out.
Or dumb-ass catherine lacey shit talking paula bomer with her ‘i don’t have anything against foul language but… don’t want people to think i’m in high school’ censorship bullshit.
This place was destined for failure when the fellow contributors and editor(s) allowed jimmy chen to be bullied by a bunch of cunts looking for an easy fight to feel better about their feelings of inadequacy.
I genuinely feel bad for gene though. Don’t even think he made much money from this place. Maybe i’m wrong.
Feel like i’m ‘going off’ right now. lol.
Just want to emphasize all y’all hissing from the shadows are a bunch of lamedick hypocrites.
because justin asked it be removed and no one cared enough to protect it because despite being humorously-intended without a wink it wasn’t really true or fair to someone who spent a lot of time putting heart into the site at its peak and obviously a joke’s a joke and some people’s senses of humor don’t align with others and who gives a shit anyway and how could htmlgiant die without jereme getting slighted one more time.