May 25th, 2010 / 1:52 pm
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I can only think of about four bands I consider truly, aesthetically, punk. On the other hand, I can think of at least several dozen writers that are punk as fuck.

210 Comments

  1. Ben Brooks

      who are the bands?

  2. B. R. Smith

      Sample sentence in dictionary at hand for “punk” as an adjective: “I felt too punk to eat.”

  3. Blake Butler

      i’m actually now having trouble even naming one i would stand by in that way across the board

  4. joseph

      I’m seeing GBH next friday.

  5. joseph

      Who are the writers

  6. Blake Butler

      Swans, Three 6 Mafia, Talking Heads, Wire

  7. joseph

      I’ll stand behind all those.

      Throwing in The Crucifucks and Guttermouth.

  8. davidpeak

      throbbing gristle, excepter, hair police, prurient, ornette coleman

  9. Matthew Simmons

      The Feederz. The Shaggs. Devo. Harry Crews.

  10. Rusty

      black fag

  11. Jimmy Chen

      neil young is so punk it’s soft

  12. eric

      Guttermouth; good addition. Saw the singer once have a hernia on stage and just down a handfull of pills from the audience, and kept on with the show.

  13. mark

      if only all those writers started bands i mean you figure 4 guys a band suddenly you’ve increased the number of true punk outfits by 312.5%. maybe this whole punk thing will catch on after all.

  14. ryanchang

      converge? saw them play to an SLC crowd of about 20; jake tripped and split his head open on a step and kept screaming while blood gushed out of his head. finished the set while the ambulance waited outside

  15. jereme

      defining punk isn’t punk.

  16. Salvatore Pane

      Guys, what about Green Day, right? Remember American Idiot? Those were heady days.

  17. Nathan Tyree

      Ramones, Sex Pistols, Talking Heads

      That’s the list

      all of it

  18. Nathan Tyree

      Clash

  19. Nathan Tyree

      ornette coleman

      nice

  20. Nathan Tyree

      puke

  21. Nathan Tyree

      patti smith

  22. joseph

      listing things that are a thing i don’t think is defining that thing

  23. joseph

      Eric, Mark puts on one of the best shows, often in spite of some kind of injury. Last one I went to I believe he pretty much broke his ankle or something and just did the rest of the show on his back on the floor.

  24. wurterlyzer

      “I felt too country to fuck.”

  25. wurterlyzer

      the first rule of punk is you do not talk about punk

  26. jereme

      i think you haven’t really thought much about the subject if you believe a declaration of best examples is not a tacit definition of the “thing”.

      horse racing for example. if a person were to declare the 5 top racing horses in the world, does that not define what horse racing is by to some degree?

      anyways, i am more curious to hear why blake made the distinction between writer and musician–obviously there is a back story lurking in the shadows…

  27. JimR

      Not this shit again.

  28. jereme

      lol

  29. Blake Butler

      lol

  30. Joseph Young

      hey, wow, look what english language can do: punk as shit // punk as(s) shit.

  31. M
  32. chris rowe

      to me, the word “punk” is in the same category as the words “cunt” and “nigger” except that i still say “cunt” and “nigger” when i get mad…

  33. Ben Brooks

      who are the bands?

  34. B. R. Smith

      Sample sentence in dictionary at hand for “punk” as an adjective: “I felt too punk to eat.”

  35. Blake Butler

      i’m actually now having trouble even naming one i would stand by in that way across the board

  36. joseph

      I’m seeing GBH next friday.

  37. joseph

      Who are the writers

  38. Blake Butler

      Swans, Three 6 Mafia, Talking Heads, Wire

  39. joseph

      I’ll stand behind all those.

      Throwing in The Crucifucks and Guttermouth.

  40. wax lion

      Half Japanese, Beat Happening, R. Stevie Moore, Jonathan Richman

  41. davidpeak

      throbbing gristle, excepter, hair police, prurient, ornette coleman

  42. Matthew Simmons

      The Feederz. The Shaggs. Devo. Harry Crews.

  43. Rusty

      black fag

  44. topher

      I’m book as fuck.

  45. Jimmy Chen

      neil young is so punk it’s soft

  46. eric

      Guttermouth; good addition. Saw the singer once have a hernia on stage and just down a handfull of pills from the audience, and kept on with the show.

  47. mark

      if only all those writers started bands i mean you figure 4 guys a band suddenly you’ve increased the number of true punk outfits by 312.5%. maybe this whole punk thing will catch on after all.

  48. ryan chang

      converge? saw them play to an SLC crowd of about 20; jake tripped and split his head open on a step and kept screaming while blood gushed out of his head. finished the set while the ambulance waited outside

  49. jereme

      defining punk isn’t punk.

  50. Sean K

      for some reason I could never really get into punk. I dunno what it is. I used to think it was some kind of personal failing like I’m not edgy enough or something to like punk or something. being punk is like being metal or something ridiculous, I always wanted to punch people and tell them to shut the fuck up who used described anything with those words, although I guess that would be a punk reaction, except come to think of it I never really punched anyone, just walked away muttering. maybe I’m missing the point of punk. probably I’m missing the point by looking for a point. but then again I like the talking heads but I never thought of them as punk, so maybe I just don’t understand “punk” as a word, just makes me think of punchable douchebags.

  51. Salvatore Pane

      Guys, what about Green Day, right? Remember American Idiot? Those were heady days.

  52. Nathan Tyree

      Ramones, Sex Pistols, Talking Heads

      That’s the list

      all of it

  53. Nathan Tyree

      Clash

  54. Nathan Tyree

      ornette coleman

      nice

  55. Nathan Tyree

      puke

  56. Nathan Tyree

      patti smith

  57. joseph

      listing things that are a thing i don’t think is defining that thing

  58. joseph

      Eric, Mark puts on one of the best shows, often in spite of some kind of injury. Last one I went to I believe he pretty much broke his ankle or something and just did the rest of the show on his back on the floor.

  59. andy.riverbed

      eskorbuto, la mejor banda del mundo.

      st. dad, the new best band in the world.

      in a the latest issue of MRR, the reviewer’s first two sentences of the debut EP were: “No one can accuse these guys of not being punk. This shit rules.”

      http://stdadyouth.blogspot.com/

  60. C

      punk writers:

      Peter Sotos
      Kenneth Goldsmith
      Stewart Home
      Tom McCarthy
      Celine
      George Bataille
      J.G. Ballard
      Dennis Cooper
      Bret Easton Ellis
      Richard Allen
      Michael Herr
      Phoebe Gloeckner
      Jean Baudrillard
      Anais Nin
      Henry Miller
      William S. Burroughs, Jr.
      Will Eno
      Richard Maxwell
      Joan Didion
      Stephen Dixon
      Bill Flanagan
      Aram Saroyan
      Gilbert Sorrentino
      Michel Houellebecq
      Samuel Beckett
      Edward Albee
      PKD
      Jim Knipfel
      Slavoj Zizek

  61. wurterlyzer

      “I felt too country to fuck.”

  62. wurterlyzer

      the first rule of punk is you do not talk about punk

  63. jereme

      i think you haven’t really thought much about the subject if you believe a declaration of best examples is not a tacit definition of the “thing”.

      horse racing for example. if a person were to declare the 5 top racing horses in the world, does that not define what horse racing is by to some degree?

      anyways, i am more curious to hear why blake made the distinction between writer and musician–obviously there is a back story lurking in the shadows…

  64. jakob

      maggie’s farm is the punkest song ever

  65. JimR

      Not this shit again.

  66. jereme

      lol

  67. Blake Butler

      lol

  68. Joseph Young

      hey, wow, look what english language can do: punk as shit // punk as(s) shit.

  69. topher

      Brett Easton Ellis?

  70. stephen

      which writers are “crust punk” tho… just wanna be crust punk… might finally get that “metaphorical Prince Albert” i’ve always wanted…

  71. stephen

      Bret

  72. stephen

      Punk Beckett:

      “Noflag On”
      “Waiting for Gutterpunk”
      “(Mike) Watt”

  73. stephen

      “punk” doesn’t denigrate anyone tho

  74. stephen

      jk u guyz!!

  75. chris rowe

      i know you’re joking, but mike williams, the singer of eyehategod, has a book out called “cancer as a social activity” which is pretty good

  76. chris rowe

      most of the books on heartworm press are pretty “punk rock” if you were into arab on radar or american nightmare and some girls “back in the day”….

  77. M
  78. chris rowe

      to me, the word “punk” is in the same category as the words “cunt” and “nigger” except that i still say “cunt” and “nigger” when i get mad…

  79. Blake Butler

      i always wondered about Mr Pottymouth’s book. it’s worth checking out?

  80. wax lion

      Half Japanese, Beat Happening, R. Stevie Moore, Jonathan Richman

  81. Stu

      I like Home and Houellebecq. Home championed Swells. I’d say Swells was punker than them all.

  82. chris rowe

      yeah, if you’re into his lyrics i think you’d definitely dig it.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RlG5_HDjKc

      that video has him and wes eisold each reading one or two poems from their heartworm releases. eric paul reads a poem which his book is titled after and it’s one of my favorite poems of all time. eisold’s is pretty lame surprisingly…

  83. samuel peter north

      after seeing your response to Paul, I’d say old man I’m a lot like you

  84. samuel peter north

      Wall of Voodoo

  85. samuel peter north

      are you being satirical or admitting your ignorance?

  86. samuel peter north

      or keepin it real?

  87. topher

      I’m book as fuck.

  88. Sean K

      for some reason I could never really get into punk. I dunno what it is. I used to think it was some kind of personal failing like I’m not edgy enough or something to like punk or something. being punk is like being metal or something ridiculous, I always wanted to punch people and tell them to shut the fuck up who used described anything with those words, although I guess that would be a punk reaction, except come to think of it I never really punched anyone, just walked away muttering. maybe I’m missing the point of punk. probably I’m missing the point by looking for a point. but then again I like the talking heads but I never thought of them as punk, so maybe I just don’t understand “punk” as a word, just makes me think of punchable douchebags.

  89. Blake Butler

      rad, thank you sir. i did like his. i’ll have to do a buy

  90. andy.riverbed

      eskorbuto, la mejor banda del mundo.

      st. dad, the new best band in the world.

      in a the latest issue of MRR, the reviewer’s first two sentences of the debut EP were: “No one can accuse these guys of not being punk. This shit rules.”

      http://stdadyouth.blogspot.com/

  91. C

      punk writers:

      Peter Sotos
      Kenneth Goldsmith
      Stewart Home
      Tom McCarthy
      Celine
      George Bataille
      J.G. Ballard
      Dennis Cooper
      Bret Easton Ellis
      Richard Allen
      Michael Herr
      Phoebe Gloeckner
      Jean Baudrillard
      Anais Nin
      Henry Miller
      William S. Burroughs, Jr.
      Will Eno
      Richard Maxwell
      Joan Didion
      Stephen Dixon
      Bill Flanagan
      Aram Saroyan
      Gilbert Sorrentino
      Michel Houellebecq
      Samuel Beckett
      Edward Albee
      PKD
      Jim Knipfel
      Slavoj Zizek

  92. zusya

      B

  93. reynard

      punx’ve prolly read more good books than most people have seen the last episode of lost

  94. jakob

      maggie’s farm is the punkest song ever

  95. topher

      Brett Easton Ellis?

  96. stephen

      which writers are “crust punk” tho… just wanna be crust punk… might finally get that “metaphorical Prince Albert” i’ve always wanted…

  97. stephen

      Bret

  98. stephen

      Punk Beckett:

      “Noflag On”
      “Waiting for Gutterpunk”
      “(Mike) Watt”

  99. chris rowe

      which is probably why i don’t say it when i’m mad…

  100. stephen

      “punk” doesn’t denigrate anyone tho

  101. chris rowe

      you knowing, would ruin it…

  102. stephen

      jk u guyz!!

  103. chris rowe

      i know you’re joking, but mike williams, the singer of eyehategod, has a book out called “cancer as a social activity” which is pretty good

  104. chris rowe

      most of the books on heartworm press are pretty “punk rock” if you were into arab on radar or american nightmare and some girls “back in the day”….

  105. marshall

      up the punx

  106. landon

      I always liked Wes Eisold’s writing.

  107. mark

      blake, i’m coming back to this late at night, drunk. yr statement, clearly, is outrageous and dumb. i guess that being so annoyed by it — a statement meant to be annoying and provocatative on the face of it — probably says as much about me as about this thread. but: ARE YOU KIDDING.

      a band like the mekons, for one, have every bit as much to say about making big formal moves at the same time as working between the larger presses/records and independents, as brian evenson. and come on, beat happening, the feelies, the lines, half japanese, television, the television personalities, the halo benders, the flaming lips, the xray specs, the raincoats, the vaselines, lifter puller, just to name a few, and so on, all these incredibly diverse bands — dude, the entire indie music scene cutting through the late seventies/eighties/nineties, punk or punk derived, paved the way — not the whole way, but a part of it — for the independent presses that exist today.

      blake, i think yr terrific, but GRRR, what’s the point of saying shit like that. really, i’m asking.

      here’s the feelies playing in philly a few weeks back. this is punk rock. doesn’t sound like any of those four bands you mentioned, or any of those several dozen writers, i’d guess, but this music means something.

      httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2K0eeP-qQk

  108. Blake Butler

      cuz im mean

      i heard that song at the bar down the street from my mom’s house one night

  109. Blake Butler

      i always wondered about Mr Pottymouth’s book. it’s worth checking out?

  110. Blake Butler

      i think you just reinforced in my mind a point i wasn’t wholeheartedly trying to make

  111. Blake Butler

      getting drunk and arguing about how all music is shit is fun

  112. Blake Butler

      but i do believe what i said

  113. Blake Butler

      all those bands you named would be published in the conneticut review if content was form

  114. Blake Butler

      even tho i like some of them

  115. mimi

      Bret Easton Ellis is so not punk.
      Bret Easton Ellis is Giorgio Moroder music.

  116. Blake Butler

      i also have to disagree that music publishing paved the way for books
      i’d say the other way around
      as well, if anything, music has made consumers less attentive to the word
      audio wallpaper

  117. Stu

      I like Home and Houellebecq. Home championed Swells. I’d say Swells was punker than them all.

  118. chris rowe

      yeah, if you’re into his lyrics i think you’d definitely dig it.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RlG5_HDjKc

      that video has him and wes eisold each reading one or two poems from their heartworm releases. eric paul reads a poem which his book is titled after and it’s one of my favorite poems of all time. eisold’s is pretty lame surprisingly…

  119. samuel peter north

      after seeing your response to Paul, I’d say old man I’m a lot like you

  120. samuel peter north

      Wall of Voodoo

  121. samuel peter north

      are you being satirical or admitting your ignorance?

  122. samuel peter north

      or keepin it real?

  123. Blake Butler

      rad, thank you sir. i did like his. i’ll have to do a buy

  124. reynard

      punx’ve prolly read more good books than most people have seen the last episode of lost

  125. chris rowe

      which is probably why i don’t say it when i’m mad…

  126. chris rowe

      you knowing, would ruin it…

  127. Guest

      up the punx

  128. landon

      I always liked Wes Eisold’s writing.

  129. Pionir

      if Wire and Talking Heads are punk then what bands were new wave. if swans, throbbing gristle, excepter, hair police, prurient and ornette coleman are punk then what bands played industrial music, harsh noise, free jazz! is prurient punk because he generates noise like anyone is able to do who has the ability to generate feedback? what is then merzbow? is the digital merzbow more punk than the analog merzbow was? what is prurient adding what masonna did at his times? is that punk?
      ask ornette coleman what he thinks about punk rock.
      ok punk is here in between “attitude” and “musical style” right?

      green day? someone said green day? i was born too late to listen to punk music in early 80ies. the bands that i listened to in late 80ies were punk bands on their way down like dead kennedys, exploited, uk subs, gbh, circle jerks (hardcore?), descendents, bad religion (considered as punk during their first two lps), dri, half japanese and so on and so on. even that was not anylonger a authentic scene at that time, it was the surviving rest of energy punk and hardcore had.
      but green day? the rip-off of the rip-off of the rip-off!

      if you consider writers like slavoj zizek as punk because of “wild style of thinking” then question if his lifestyle is punk too! writing tons of books, sampling his articles into his books so many times, earning big money on conferences writing in special cd-editions about the opera and so on and so on.
      i am not against all that but is this “punk”?

      the only concert that i experienced as punk (thinking back) was early Boredoms. it was so destrucive that i feared to get hurt.

      the more destructive the more “punk”?

      is “free thinking” punk?

      many of the bands (i mentioned above) are very conservative thinking about music compared to bands from today. so what is punk today?

      attitude? what attitude? political? autonomy?
      radicalism?

      can we compare radicalism in music to radicalism in literature? i am not able. help out!

      can we compare radicalism in music? if punk means attitude, autonomy and radicalism are/were the following bands/artists PUNK? And how many radical writers have we against that?

      Agencement, AMMusic, Alboth, Albert Ayler, Derek Bailey, Husker Du, Iannis Xenakis, Laibach, John Cage, GG Allin, Anti Group, Pan Sonic, Mars, DNA, Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, Lydia Lunch, Killdozer,Masonna, Andrew Chalk, Organum, Asmus Tietchens, King Crimson, John Zorn, Einst├╝rzende Neubauten, Wolf Eyes, Morton Feldman, Harry Partch, John Cage, Haters, Big City Orchestra, Walter Marchetti, Christian Marclay, Flipper, Chrome, Guru Guru, Jimi Hendrix, John Coltrane, Current 93, SPK, Whitehouse, Grouper, Eliane Radigue, Maryanne Amacher, Frank Zappe, The Fugs, This Heat, Zoviet France, The Melvins, Boredoms, Hanatarash, Test Department,
      The Pop Group, Mark Stewart & Maffia, Little Annie, Crass, Velvet Underground, Ground Zero, Talk Talk, Sonic Youth, Red Crayola, Black Flag, Nurse With Wound, Ornette Coleman, Oval, Jim O`Rourke, No Means No, Skaters, P16D4, Mission of Burma, Bad Brains, Big Black, Blind Idiot God, Devo, Carcass, Richard Hell, The Ex, Stooges, MC 5, MDC, Minor Threat, Minutemen, Motorhead, Pere Ubu, Sham 69, Skeleton Crew, Fred Frith, Anthony Braxton, Yellow Swans, Victims Family, Wire, Throbbing Gristle, The Slits, Sore Throat, Steel Pole Bath Tub, Violent Femmes, Idea Fire Company, Troum, Black To Comm, Napalm Death, Darkthrone, Burzum, The Stranglers, Elliott Sharp, Zeena Parkins, Ikue Mori, Xela, Suicide, Alan Vega, Corrupted, Sun o))), Earth, Black Dice… I stop here for a moment cuase I am exhausted… ah by the way:
      Exhausted, Godflesh, Godspeed You Black Emperor, A Silver Mt. Zion, Grey Daturas, Nadja, Ovo, Thrones, The Ramones, Pregant Babys Pregnant with Pregnant Babys, Alva Noto and so on and so on….

  130. zusya

      i am mean things i say all the time.

  131. zusya

      “Dropkick Murphy”

  132. mark

      blake, i’m coming back to this late at night, drunk. yr statement, clearly, is outrageous and dumb. i guess that being so annoyed by it — a statement meant to be annoying and provocatative on the face of it — probably says as much about me as about this thread. but: ARE YOU KIDDING.

      a band like the mekons, for one, have every bit as much to say about making big formal moves at the same time as working between the larger presses/records and independents, as brian evenson. and come on, beat happening, the feelies, the lines, half japanese, television, the television personalities, the halo benders, the flaming lips, the xray specs, the raincoats, the vaselines, lifter puller, just to name a few, and so on, all these incredibly diverse bands — dude, the entire indie music scene cutting through the late seventies/eighties/nineties, punk or punk derived, paved the way — not the whole way, but a part of it — for the independent presses that exist today.

      blake, i think yr terrific, but GRRR, what’s the point of saying shit like that. really, i’m asking.

      here’s the feelies playing in philly a few weeks back. this is punk rock. doesn’t sound like any of those four bands you mentioned, or any of those several dozen writers, i’d guess, but this music means something.

      httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2K0eeP-qQk

  133. Pionir

      Hanatarash 1988

  134. Pionir
    • Blake Butler

        cuz im mean

        i heard that song at the bar down the street from my mom’s house one night

    • Blake Butler

        i think you just reinforced in my mind a point i wasn’t wholeheartedly trying to make

    • Blake Butler

        getting drunk and arguing about how all music is shit is fun

    • Blake Butler

        but i do believe what i said

    • Blake Butler

        all those bands you named would be published in the conneticut review if content was form

    • Blake Butler

        even tho i like some of them

    • mimi

        Bret Easton Ellis is so not punk.
        Bret Easton Ellis is Giorgio Moroder music.

    • Blake Butler

        i also have to disagree that music publishing paved the way for books
        i’d say the other way around
        as well, if anything, music has made consumers less attentive to the word
        audio wallpaper

    • ce.

        If Ramones hadn’t done Rock and Roll Highschool, I’d be more apt to agree with them being on that list.

    • Aubrey

        I always thought Nina Simone was one of the most punk musicians of all time. Mississippi Goddam is punk as fuck. (One of many examples.)

    • stephen

        “Fugazzles”

        “Oy-hio Impropagandhi”

    • Pionir

        if Wire and Talking Heads are punk then what bands were new wave. if swans, throbbing gristle, excepter, hair police, prurient and ornette coleman are punk then what bands played industrial music, harsh noise, free jazz! is prurient punk because he generates noise like anyone is able to do who has the ability to generate feedback? what is then merzbow? is the digital merzbow more punk than the analog merzbow was? what is prurient adding what masonna did at his times? is that punk?
        ask ornette coleman what he thinks about punk rock.
        ok punk is here in between “attitude” and “musical style” right?

        green day? someone said green day? i was born too late to listen to punk music in early 80ies. the bands that i listened to in late 80ies were punk bands on their way down like dead kennedys, exploited, uk subs, gbh, circle jerks (hardcore?), descendents, bad religion (considered as punk during their first two lps), dri, half japanese and so on and so on. even that was not anylonger a authentic scene at that time, it was the surviving rest of energy punk and hardcore had.
        but green day? the rip-off of the rip-off of the rip-off!

        if you consider writers like slavoj zizek as punk because of “wild style of thinking” then question if his lifestyle is punk too! writing tons of books, sampling his articles into his books so many times, earning big money on conferences writing in special cd-editions about the opera and so on and so on.
        i am not against all that but is this “punk”?

        the only concert that i experienced as punk (thinking back) was early Boredoms. it was so destrucive that i feared to get hurt.

        the more destructive the more “punk”?

        is “free thinking” punk?

        many of the bands (i mentioned above) are very conservative thinking about music compared to bands from today. so what is punk today?

        attitude? what attitude? political? autonomy?
        radicalism?

        can we compare radicalism in music to radicalism in literature? i am not able. help out!

        can we compare radicalism in music? if punk means attitude, autonomy and radicalism are/were the following bands/artists PUNK? And how many radical writers have we against that?

        Agencement, AMMusic, Alboth, Albert Ayler, Derek Bailey, Husker Du, Iannis Xenakis, Laibach, John Cage, GG Allin, Anti Group, Pan Sonic, Mars, DNA, Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, Lydia Lunch, Killdozer,Masonna, Andrew Chalk, Organum, Asmus Tietchens, King Crimson, John Zorn, Einst├╝rzende Neubauten, Wolf Eyes, Morton Feldman, Harry Partch, John Cage, Haters, Big City Orchestra, Walter Marchetti, Christian Marclay, Flipper, Chrome, Guru Guru, Jimi Hendrix, John Coltrane, Current 93, SPK, Whitehouse, Grouper, Eliane Radigue, Maryanne Amacher, Frank Zappe, The Fugs, This Heat, Zoviet France, The Melvins, Boredoms, Hanatarash, Test Department,
        The Pop Group, Mark Stewart & Maffia, Little Annie, Crass, Velvet Underground, Ground Zero, Talk Talk, Sonic Youth, Red Crayola, Black Flag, Nurse With Wound, Ornette Coleman, Oval, Jim O`Rourke, No Means No, Skaters, P16D4, Mission of Burma, Bad Brains, Big Black, Blind Idiot God, Devo, Carcass, Richard Hell, The Ex, Stooges, MC 5, MDC, Minor Threat, Minutemen, Motorhead, Pere Ubu, Sham 69, Skeleton Crew, Fred Frith, Anthony Braxton, Yellow Swans, Victims Family, Wire, Throbbing Gristle, The Slits, Sore Throat, Steel Pole Bath Tub, Violent Femmes, Idea Fire Company, Troum, Black To Comm, Napalm Death, Darkthrone, Burzum, The Stranglers, Elliott Sharp, Zeena Parkins, Ikue Mori, Xela, Suicide, Alan Vega, Corrupted, Sun o))), Earth, Black Dice… I stop here for a moment cuase I am exhausted… ah by the way:
        Exhausted, Godflesh, Godspeed You Black Emperor, A Silver Mt. Zion, Grey Daturas, Nadja, Ovo, Thrones, The Ramones, Pregant Babys Pregnant with Pregnant Babys, Alva Noto and so on and so on….

    • Pionir

        Hanatarash 1988

    • Rebecca Loudon

        Sex Pistols, Circle Jerks, Butthole Surfers, Dee Dee Ramone.

    • Rebecca Loudon

        Gertrude Stein was a total punk. So was Joyce. I think the Left Bank in Paris during the 20s is comparable to London during the 70s as far as punk goes.

    • Brendan Connell

        Punk died a long time ago I think, as far as music goes. I used to go to concerts by guys like DRI, MDC etc. Those were the US punk bands. But after Ronald was out of office punk died, because he was what really fed the scene: Ronald hate. A kid walking down the street in 2010 in some suburban town surrounded by corn does not a punk make.

    • Nathan Tyree

        c.e. I can forgive them the bad film because of the rest

    • davidk

        This punk writer thing is more interesting as a parlor game if you are talking about punk as attitude as well as content.
        For example = Dennis Cooper, Gertrude Stein, the earlier William S. Burroughs, Al Blaster Ackerman are punk.
        Bret Easton Ellis, James Joyce, the cottage industry of late WSB, H.L. Mencken are notpunk.

        I’m way older than most of you and remember my dad getting really angry when my brothers and I called
        each other punks. Punk did not mean musical style yet. It meant gunsel. So, anyway, it can be derogatory.

    • DJ

        Henry Green, Mavis Gallant, Stendhal…all punk.

    • ce.

        If Ramones hadn’t done Rock and Roll Highschool, I’d be more apt to agree with them being on that list.

    • Brendan Connell

        I always found Gertrude Stein’s work surprisingly conservative considering her reputation.

    • mimi

        Stendhal ha ha love it!
        And what about Ginsberg? (except he was chubby, and I always think of punk as a scrawny aesthetic. with “bad” hair and worse skin. unless you were chrissie hynde who had good skin)

    • mimi

        and really good hair (ref. chrissie)

    • j lung

        I can think of at least several dozen writers that are new wave as fuck.

    • stephen

        there are many ways to be liberal

    • Aubrey

        I always thought Nina Simone was one of the most punk musicians of all time. Mississippi Goddam is punk as fuck. (One of many examples.)

    • Mather Schneider

        Billy Childish.

    • Rebecca Loudon

        I was thinking of Stein and Joyce as punk writers in terms of how they lived as much as their writing. Punk as lifestyle. I think it’s an important distinction.

    • Rebecca Loudon

        I forgot to add Bob Dobbs and The Church of the Subgenius.

    • stephen

        “Fugazzles”

        “Oy-hio Impropagandhi”

    • Brendan Connell

        Joyce in his life though wasn’t that radical. Stein had a girlfriend, but aside from that she didn’t seem that far out. Someone like Alfred Jarry seems more to fit the punk label.

    • Mather Schneider

        Gertrude Stein sat in plush chairs surrounded by expensive art. Just because she was a lesbo don’t make her punk. Try Genet, he was a homo and lived a punk lifestyle. I’m reading Thief’s Journal now. It’s great.

    • King Wenclas

        A pretty ridiculous conversation.
        Punk was in-your-face direct emotion from scarcely educated working class musicians who weren’t musicians.
        Some say “Jailhouse Rock” was the first movie to embody the punk aesthetic, in that you had the Elvis character destroying his guitar, founding his own record company, snubbing a geeky bourgie professor at a cocktaily party, and so on.
        The punk DIY anarchic aesthetic was the inspiration for the 90’s zine explosion, which was the foundation of the Underground Literary Alliance.
        Is Maximum Rock n Roll still around?
        To suggest Bret Ellis, Joan Didion! et.al. as in any way punk shows an inability to understand what you’re talking about.
        (The word “punk” re music was first used regarding Sixties garage rock, the Nuggets collection etc. Appropriate that garage rock is strongest right now in Detroit, which spawned several bands who inspired the Seventies version of punk rock. Namely, Iggy and MC5 most prominently, but many other great ur-punk Detroit bands like The Underdogs.)
        Punk is an attitude. Hard to see its like in any of today’s go-along-to-get-along approved writing crowd.
        Just my two cents, take it for what you want.

    • mimi
    • j lung

        mayakovsky

    • Rebecca Loudon

        Sex Pistols, Circle Jerks, Butthole Surfers, Dee Dee Ramone.

    • j lung

        maximum rock n roll is still around but it’s totally irrelevant & pretty much sucks nowadays

    • Rebecca Loudon

        Gertrude Stein was a total punk. So was Joyce. I think the Left Bank in Paris during the 20s is comparable to London during the 70s as far as punk goes.

    • Brendan Connell

        Punk died a long time ago I think, as far as music goes. I used to go to concerts by guys like DRI, MDC etc. Those were the US punk bands. But after Ronald was out of office punk died, because he was what really fed the scene: Ronald hate. A kid walking down the street in 2010 in some suburban town surrounded by corn does not a punk make.

    • Nathan Tyree

        c.e. I can forgive them the bad film because of the rest

    • davidk

        This punk writer thing is more interesting as a parlor game if you are talking about punk as attitude as well as content.
        For example = Dennis Cooper, Gertrude Stein, the earlier William S. Burroughs, Al Blaster Ackerman are punk.
        Bret Easton Ellis, James Joyce, the cottage industry of late WSB, H.L. Mencken are notpunk.

        I’m way older than most of you and remember my dad getting really angry when my brothers and I called
        each other punks. Punk did not mean musical style yet. It meant gunsel. So, anyway, it can be derogatory.

    • DJ

        Henry Green, Mavis Gallant, Stendhal…all punk.

    • Brendan Connell

        I always found Gertrude Stein’s work surprisingly conservative considering her reputation.

    • mimi

        Stendhal ha ha love it!
        And what about Ginsberg? (except he was chubby, and I always think of punk as a scrawny aesthetic. with “bad” hair and worse skin. unless you were chrissie hynde who had good skin)

    • mimi

        and really good hair (ref. chrissie)

    • j lung

        I can think of at least several dozen writers that are new wave as fuck.

    • stephen

        there are many ways to be liberal

    • Mather Schneider

        Billy Childish.

    • Rebecca Loudon

        I was thinking of Stein and Joyce as punk writers in terms of how they lived as much as their writing. Punk as lifestyle. I think it’s an important distinction.

    • Jarrett

        sure do like those Hot Snakes

    • Rebecca Loudon

        I forgot to add Bob Dobbs and The Church of the Subgenius.

    • Brendan Connell

        Joyce in his life though wasn’t that radical. Stein had a girlfriend, but aside from that she didn’t seem that far out. Someone like Alfred Jarry seems more to fit the punk label.

    • Mather Schneider

        Gertrude Stein sat in plush chairs surrounded by expensive art. Just because she was a lesbo don’t make her punk. Try Genet, he was a homo and lived a punk lifestyle. I’m reading Thief’s Journal now. It’s great.

    • King Wenclas

        A pretty ridiculous conversation.
        Punk was in-your-face direct emotion from scarcely educated working class musicians who weren’t musicians.
        Some say “Jailhouse Rock” was the first movie to embody the punk aesthetic, in that you had the Elvis character destroying his guitar, founding his own record company, snubbing a geeky bourgie professor at a cocktaily party, and so on.
        The punk DIY anarchic aesthetic was the inspiration for the 90’s zine explosion, which was the foundation of the Underground Literary Alliance.
        Is Maximum Rock n Roll still around?
        To suggest Bret Ellis, Joan Didion! et.al. as in any way punk shows an inability to understand what you’re talking about.
        (The word “punk” re music was first used regarding Sixties garage rock, the Nuggets collection etc. Appropriate that garage rock is strongest right now in Detroit, which spawned several bands who inspired the Seventies version of punk rock. Namely, Iggy and MC5 most prominently, but many other great ur-punk Detroit bands like The Underdogs.)
        Punk is an attitude. Hard to see its like in any of today’s go-along-to-get-along approved writing crowd.
        Just my two cents, take it for what you want.

    • mimi
    • j lung

        mayakovsky

    • j lung

        maximum rock n roll is still around but it’s totally irrelevant & pretty much sucks nowadays

    • Blake Butler

        totally fuckin forgot about Kool Keith

    • Jarrett

        sure do like those Hot Snakes

    • Stu

        “Sat in plush chairs surrounded by expensive art.”

        Channeling Wenclas are we? I agree about Stein. I’ll take Djuna Barnes any day over her. In general. Not for punk cred.

        Anyway, I read Thief’s Journal. It’s good.

    • Stu

        No one commenting on your blog now so you come back here? What is it with you and Elvis? Dude, Elvis was all about his pinche Mama and being respectful and shit. Nothing punk about that. Dying on the shitter is pretty punk, though, so you might be onto something.

    • Blake Butler

        totally fuckin forgot about Kool Keith

    • damon

        Crucifucks… lookout. Didn’t expect that name to pop up. All praise Doc Corbin Dart.

    • Stu

        “Sat in plush chairs surrounded by expensive art.”

        Channeling Wenclas are we? I agree about Stein. I’ll take Djuna Barnes any day over her. In general. Not for punk cred.

        Anyway, I read Thief’s Journal. It’s good.

    • Stu

        No one commenting on your blog now so you come back here? What is it with you and Elvis? Dude, Elvis was all about his pinche Mama and being respectful and shit. Nothing punk about that. Dying on the shitter is pretty punk, though, so you might be onto something.

    • Tadd

        the stooges. I will stand the fuck by the stooges.

    • Tadd

        devo! you win.

    • Tadd

        no kathy acker?

    • jonny ross

        or hubert selby, jr

    • damon

        Crucifucks… lookout. Didn’t expect that name to pop up. All praise Doc Corbin Dart.

    • Tadd

        the stooges. I will stand the fuck by the stooges.

    • Tadd

        devo! you win.

    • Tadd

        no kathy acker?

    • jonny ross

        or hubert selby, jr

    • mark

        agreement.

    • mark

        agreement.