You know, I don’t mind a smack in the face during sex. Took a good deal of sex before I even realized it. It’s not freaky. Seemed more an artisitic smack in the face though. Thought ‘family guy.’ thought ‘kool-aid.’ thought ‘oh yeah!’ in kool-aid voice.
wow; how profound; what an artistic statement. aren’t these people brave for being so alt and out there. aren’t you so cool when you tell us you ‘enjoyed watching this video’ or talk to us about how you ‘punched her lol’.
i wonder what distinguishes an ‘artistic smack in the face’ from an actual smack in the face. and what exactly is arousing about either of those things. particularly if they are done for something as silly as a trailer for a book.
it is a video trailer for my forthcoming video interview with megan boyle [female in video]’s poetry book ‘selected unpublished blog posts of a mexican panda express employee’ (muumuu house, 2011) [http://muumuuhouse.com/meganboyle.poetrybook.html]
fair enough. my instinct was to try to make sense of this video as some kind of statement, or something that aspires to some kind of meaning, which is why i responded the way that i did. maybe sometimes a slap is just a slap the way a tree is just a tree— to say otherwise might not be the right instinct but it is the one i have. and i guess what i am trying to say here is that i find someone punching/hitting/slapping someone else for the sake of advertising something, like a book, or something for a something, like an interview for a book, meaningless, and frankly repellent and something about seeing someone get punched and a lot of people laugh about it feels deeply discomfiting to me. but i see how you can disagree. anyways.
Geesus, I think Megan is funny / have liked much of the work of hers I’ve read to date. I’m indifferent — so far — to you, Jordan, which means I’ll play the old “wait and see” game, a game I love.
Where was I going with this? Oh yeah, holy hell I forgot how this place lights up whenever anything remotely related to Tao Lin and / or Muumuu House gets posted. There, that’s my point. It’s like those sports teams whose fans travel well. You’re the Yankees, Cubs and Red Sox fans of Indie lit.
WHoa man, just so you know, and I don’t want to be a jerk here, but just so you know, “profoundery” is a non-standard word, IF it’s a word at all. And between you and me, I’m like 99% sure it isn’t. Like just almost 99.9%. And even if it was, were, whathaveyou, I don’t think it would be Badass. I just don’t.
i had fun hanging out with jordan last week. he asked me questions about my book and stuff. at one point i asked him to punch me because i’ve never been punched before. we recorded all of that on our laptops.
i had fun hanging out with jordan last week. he asked me questions about my book and other things. at one point i asked him to punch me because i’ve never been punched. we recorded all of that on our laptops.
I didn’t laugh. I feel neutral about this video. I felt I was watching two people have fun mostly. The slap, in some odd way, felt like an attempt to connect / a connection with the audience. I agree the concept of the slap as humorous is disturbing. But without it, we would’ve been “only” voyeurs. Given what the video depicted until then. Does that make sense?
It’s just mindless, viral PR. How ironic–“experimental” writers practicing the same lazy, cheap tactics as corporate advertisers for no subversive or meaningful reason other than to push product/brand/etc. How can these kids be so unambitious?
while this is a comment made in some sort of “those darn kids” attitude, i find that this might actually highlight my dissatisfaction with muumuuvians: “how can these [people] be so unambitious” actually gets to the heart of what i find problematic.
why ‘under-21’? not accusatory, just… curious. like the ability to legally drink and rent a car (albeit at a higher rate than ‘the over-25 demographic’) affects people’s senses of humor? why do you think that…? i ask because i will be 21 in 3 weeks, and i think i will still find the things i find funny now to be funny then…
I think it’s still pretty novel for writers to be doing things like this at all (pushing product, brand). One thing I find ambitious : their determination to inhabit the public sphere while maintaining integrity as artists. Or, maybe I just keep expecting them to blossom.
I feel like I was talking about attention, not money
I feel like I have little interest in your interest in getting paid to be punched or pepper-sprayed on video for money, but I feel like telling you that I feel, even without personal experience as a participant or consumer of such documents, certain that you can make some money in this modern and (what I feel like is an) exciting or ‘exciting’ way
I also feel like saying that I feel like advertising your availability for this work in this way has a small but not negligible chance for success, although I can’t tell if I feel like I feel interested in ‘being kept posted’ on the success or failure of this advertising scheme
You misunderstand me Jordan. I wouldn’t dream of having you do it without being paid. I’m just saying, for those who’d like their money’s worth, I am offering my services as puncher to you, the punchee (or whatever, e.g. just give me the pepper spray and I’ll do what I can to spray you in the face with it indefinitely). And there’s Mason’s punchstarter campaign coming into the picture once again. Our tagline “Help, raise money for me, Matt Rowan, to punch (or whatever) him, Jordan Castro, in the face.”
just want to add an addendum to my previous comment, because i feel like the fact that this thread has 90 comments is indicative of something perhaps ‘weird’ with a lot of the stuff that goes on on this website:
hating on muumuuvians to me seems like the equivalent for hating someone for living in williamsburg, or like, hating on ‘hipsters’, or hating on some form of music that is super hip nowadays; that is, just like, get over it.
i thought this was a neat video and thats cool, i like watching neat things. below this post there is a post re: ‘favorite reads of 2011’, a post that i would think would attract a lot of people to not only share their own favorite reads from the year 2011, but also discuss why they think whatever book that came out in 2011 was a great one and worth reading. i would think this post would have like 100+ comments, given that this website is about literature and the people that are interested in it. that post has about 9 comments, this one has about 90.
the point i am getting at: if you are a person who dislikes muumuu house, tao lin, and anything related with it, just like, don’t watch the video, read the post, or whatever else? why does the opposite happen so frequently??
im feeling a little too high and mighty writing all of this stuff so im sorry if it came across that way!! just trying to point out that, despite the amount of people arguing over some bullshit on a thread related to something they obstensibly don’t care for, they are, by exclusion, not really engaging in other perhaps more productive things. but look whos talking why am i on this website why am i not playing with my cats or reading or something !!
Good grief, grow up. You and the other MooCowHouse writers love to play this game–here’s how it works: someone calls you out on your BS, and you then ask them to either “elaborate” or provide an alternative list of “meaningful things.” Why is this website wasting space on y’all when there are so many other writers out there who work harder and actually have something to say?
I feel that it is an offer made public, which I feel is distinct from but not substantially, essentially, logically, or metaphysically different than an advertising scheme, but rather, different only in the sense that a definition is distinct from the term it defines
I feel that I am open to further clarification as to your offer not actually belonging to a species of ‘advertising’, and I also feel charitable towards your feeling of ‘need’ for money, but not charitable enough to donate any to you, which I feel that you might feel is not actually ‘charitable’, but rather, is some other kind of fellow-feeling
I speak as someone not much knowledgeable about muumuuvian literature outside of links to material found here (not infrequent, but not so copious as, say, a novel) and a bit familiar with (what I take to be) the muumuuvian epistemology (to me, a pragmatic phenomenology: ‘if it works at describing the experience of an experience, that description is “true” to the experience of having had that experience, or at least “true” to the possibility of the experience of that experience being described’): there’s plenty of pro-muumuuvian push-back against the anti-muumuuvian “hate” on this thread and here generally. I don’t believe that the actors in the video above would reasonably be surprised at or disappointed by the reactions here to their provocative performances.
What happens on these muumuuviana threads is, to me, a kind of fun–which might disclose a distressingly puny ambition, or maybe a zone – a compartment – of (limited) ‘freedom’ from grief and oblivion.
i think one can view that as ambitious. for example, if your dad’s goal was to remember details of thanksgiving or to document thanksgiving or [something else] and he filmed it to acheive his end, he perceived a goal and took action in concrete reality to achieve that…
i also think, aside from filming ~4 hours, megan writing the book, tao publishing the book, me reading the book ~5x pre-interview, me thinking about/writing interview questions, me editing the interview, are all acts i don’t view as ‘unambitious’
All right, then, it’s settled. I really need to get a paypal account started. This isn’t gonna be one of those things where you wuss out and say you’ll only allow me to punch you in the face for some exorbitant price? I feel like we’re talking no more than, what, 60 bucks? I’ll ask for an appraisal but my estimated guess is you won’t get a better number than that, 60 bucks. Maybe 55.
I really don’t think I can make myself watch this video. I keep
starting it and then turning it off before anything happens. I feel
like I will feel like the world is an awful place if I watch it. I don’t think people hitting people is funny. I didn’t really like Jackass.
well to be fair it’s a legitimate question. one that i don’t really have a good answer for. which probably reflects poorly on me. i suppose you could say it is easier to judge what is not meaningful, or without meaning, then to clearly define things you find meaningful or judge to have meaning. and this seems problematic.
these are conclusions that i would not have come to if megan boyle hadn’t asked me the question, so i do appreciate that, thanks
the video i saw in this post troubled me for reasons tangentially related to muumuu house and i said so. i don’t necessarily dislike muumuu house. people have replied with interesting conversation and points i had not thought of before and though my judgment on the video hasn’t changed, i feel i’ve been edified by this. at least i don’t feel it’s been unproductive. i don’t know. in any case this’ll likely be the last i say on the subject
Matt Rowan was the captain of the high school football team.
Matt Rowan looks like Indie Superman… but taller.
Matt Rowan kicks and punches bamboo trees to strengthen his shins and knuckles.
Or was that Van Damme?
thought that was the muumuuvian response to give. but for seriously, though. the video made me laugh. like. this is how my friends and me get along. but then i got sad. the video made me feel a sense of desperation. maybe because this is how my friends and me get along. i’m not sure.
but more than just wanting to add another comment to this conversation, i think it’s fair to feel confused by this video. i think it was the tone in her voice after the smack – a slightly inebriated tone that wanted a hug more than another smack. i’m not sure.
i wish this book success. i’ve totally enjoyed every excerpt i’ve read or have heard read. and when i sell enough food stamps to the collectors down the street, i’ll send my paypal 12 to muumuu house and buy myself a copy.
i think ambition, based on my understanding, is when one perceives a goal and takes action to achieve said goal then acheives said goal
i also think ambition is subjective…it seems like we have different views of what is ambitious which isn’t good or bad, just different, but i wouldn’t say that we aren’t ambitious, just maybe not as ambitious as other people in comparison
i also don’t think my goal is to be ambitious, just to perceive goals and act in a manner that enables me to acheive them
Of course it’s subjective. And based on what you’ve said, I would say your definition is significantly more inclusive than most. Which is pretty much what Mike was saying. I’m not sure there’s any point arguing about the difference between saying you’re unambitious and saying you’re ambitious by your own definition, which is much much much more flexible than most people’s definition. Technically, I guess ambitious means having an ambition, and whatever someone’s ambition is is really up to them. That said, the word doesn’t really mean anything when you use it that way. You could say “my ambition is to poop” and then shit your pants and then you would be an ambitious person who fulfilled his ambition.
I feel that that is a wise choice, but not on the grounds of its relative interest
rather, while I feel that nobody enjoys, and quite few feel interest while, being poison-gassed, I feel that most people (by far) would prefer it, in terms either of pleasure or interest or any other terms I can think of right now, to being punched in one of several areas of the ‘face’–on the grounds of (likely) impermanence (or likely relatively low persisting magnitude) of consequences of being poison-gassed to the consequences of being rocked in, say, the teeth
I was being half sarcastic about leading the witness with an ‘attempted’ or explicitly meaningful presentation of a serious official art act type of thing although this is bleary, no attempt was made here, all in good fun. view this as sad, abrupt, exiting and it’s meaningful by accident