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[…] HTML Giant posts madore’s letter that first ran on […]
Worst iPad commercial ever.
i have to admit i was riveted by how inadvertently unselfconsious this was despite its very intense self-conscious attempts to be unvarnished and at ease, this is a really absorbing performance actually
fuck, i love americans. this youtube letter is america
I am Roxane’s friend in real life. For real.
i’m at work & can’t make noise, so i tried to watch this with the youtube “Transcribe Audio” caption beta thing, and it hilariously did not work at all, unless this dude actually, at somepoint in the first two minutes says “it generates some prompt display nature system”
Please take that down. That’s hard to watch. It really shouldn’t exist.
You rejected his rejection of you, and so he re-rejected you in a way that you didn’t reject, and you’re now showing said rejection of you, and he’s not ‘suckered in.’ Or whatever his language was.
It feels dirty watching that. Like you’re picking on him too hard or something. I don’t like it.
we didn’t reject his 2nd letter, didn’t realize he’d written a second until this video was fwd’d to me last night.
as for dirty, well, i didn’t write or film the thing.
get real, get real, think straight, you’ve lost your mind, you’re being used
not my problem
what are you doing blake butler? what are you doing?
are you ok?
i like the video, it is indeed absorbing, if fucked.
yeah, but you posted it. or someone posted it. so you’re complicit. i agree with BAC, it’s not very kind and doesn’t further anything and by posting it does feel like picking on him (and i understand he’s not saying nice things about giant, but the posting is hard to construe as anything but getting mean about a person). i had to stop watching.
this is a blog
likewise
That karma shit is crazy real. Nuff said.
I don’t know, Blake, it just seems a bit over the top to show it to a bunch of people.
It’s like something a bully from a bad 80’s movie would do.
this was a performance made to be seen so i dont see how this bullies. and it’s actually a very good performance too. i don’t think it’s phrased or framed meanly here, in invitation to be picked on, although it says some less than flattering stuff itself. honestly, i think it’s worth watching, just for what p.h. does in it, its a weirdly entrancing video, it has a strange rambling, introspective quality, like it’s not quite sure it’s started yet. it makes me think he;s a very interesting person i’d like to know, even if i found the stuff he said to roxane especially rank
well, he posted it elsewhere, so i imagine he is interested in having people see it.
if he asks that i take it down, out of that respect i will gladly do so.
otherwise, it is what it is.
and this is comment box.
not saying that that’s what you are, i think at the time it probably seemed like a good idea to post it, but um. . .
that’s just hard to see.
Rock on.
Considering that HTMLGIANT isn’t providing commentary on the video, but simply re-posting what was published in a public format (which can be set so as not to be able to be re-posted), this seems perfectly valid to me. Publishing one’s critics actually borders on…responsibility. If anyone is making fun, the people in the comment stream are the culprits, and that can happen just as easily on the youtube page.
Actually quite endearing.
honestly it made me like him more than i did before, even if i think he’s way off from anything like reality.
i didn’t mean it meanly, regardless of how it comes off.
i agree, in a way
The only thing I want to change is the still frame YouTube picked. Makes me look more domineering than I am.
I agree. The video is great but that frame isn’t quite right for the flavor
(not an endorsement of content)
agreed again
Yes.
it’s very endearing. at the same time a bit nauseating. and i know posting it wasn’t meant meanly. just felt that way, especially with the making fun comments. i don’t know. was just under the assumption the guy didn’t want it here. guess he seems okay with it though, so nevermind.
the most endearing thing is that rumpled white collar.
On second thought, now that I got to the end, not that endearing. Discomfiting.
you’re a strange guy, paul. good to see you still at it.
Me too. I have hugged her.
great video. more people should do these. human.
‘it’s not very kind’.. but ‘endearing’
irony is funny.
hey paul,
you can’t self-aggrandize and be insecure in the same movement. work on that.
i actually have respect for you today. i am proud of you.
i am really not sure why i am being associated with HTMLG since i am only an individual and constantly am fighting with half of its contributors. but it it nice to know i dominate your mind so much that you feel the need to talk bad of me when there is no need to.
in other words, it is nice to validate my assumption.
anyways, ignore that part. the video is great.
from the <3
These comments are interesting. It’s sort of the ultimate criticism of something that was made for publication—which in this case actually consists of a plea for publication—to accuse the person publishing it of being mean for publishing it because it makes the person who made it look bad.
hahaha so people thought the video of the retard baby speaking gibberish and slithering on wet linoleum wasn’t unfairly exploitative but this is?
what is wrong with you people.
Met her at AWP and didn’t get to talk to her enough. Like her a lot. Would like to count myself as one of her friends at some point.
Also, nothing but respect for her posts.
LAME.
I am, too.
i don’t think anyone said the video wasn’t unfairly exploitative. the video completely is. but so is other. both seemed to be.
uh, the ‘not very kind’ was in reference to posting it here.
Hey Paul.
You made the exact YouTube video a twelve year old girl makes. Was this a parody?
it’s like donald rumsfeld up in here.
funny, i saw no expressed outrage in the posting of the other video.
htmlgiant. where stars make dreams, and dreams make stars.
Me too.
And I think to tell somebody they’re a token or being “used,” as though they’ve got not voice or agency, and as though they haven’t themselves considered the very issues you’re raising is its own form of arrogance.
I have to admit: I am fascinated by P.H. Madore.
He is on here – and seriously heated about what is going on here – so he has some sort of affinity for literature. Which in so many ways gives him a leg-up on the other 98% of the population (Philistines). So I want feel like there something is there; some sort of rational common ground to appeal to. I am predisposed to feel this way. I want to feel this way. There is all this passion for something – for the discussion of books(!!!) – which, when you boil it down it an almost binary level, he and I share. Along with the rest of us. I watch this and I want know what he’s reading; I want to know what he’s loved; I want to know what he dove into and came out the other end different; what he’s read that made him know he will read for the rest of his life. I want to know where and when all this energy was positive, and how it turned into hate.
there was another video? i’m just all confused. i meant posting the thing here felt unnecessary. i meant: the vid is exploitative, posting it here felt so too. my words were unclear, sorry. now, i don’tknow what is happening. i just felt sad when i watched this poor guy saying hateful things that he probably didn’t need to say. i felt bad for the people he was saying them too. i felt sorry that it got posted here because it seemed like making fun of him. i probably misread intents and etc. there seemed to be littleness, lowness. i’m hungover and that does this to me.
Worst iPad commercial ever.
the british folk commenting are particularly engaging.
phm, I don’t know if you ever saw it, but I called you a dick on here a few weeks ago. I don’t think I’ve changed my mind, but this video made me realise that I would probably really like you, were we to meet in real life.
Most of my closest friends are dicks.
I like the video, anyway. I’m not necessarily sure about everything or even most things that it expresses, but I like the video.
Just thought I’d say.
i have to admit i was riveted by how inadvertently unselfconsious this was despite its very intense self-conscious attempts to be unvarnished and at ease, this is a really absorbing performance actually
fuck, i love americans. this youtube letter is america
I am Roxane’s friend in real life. For real.
“Most of my closest friends are dicks”
that’s what she said
british people are pretty great
there are no videos like this in britain
This is going to be hard to live down, especially when he finds himself one day at AWP as part of a round-table discussion that includes all those people he singled out for particular insult.
Ouch.
i’m at work & can’t make noise, so i tried to watch this with the youtube “Transcribe Audio” caption beta thing, and it hilariously did not work at all, unless this dude actually, at somepoint in the first two minutes says “it generates some prompt display nature system”
Clever.
Post a video by a guy who is kind of bent over by his disappointment with HTML Giant. Then, keep quiet. And don’t comment, just let the video be its own sort of condescension. Finally, when people start hating on the hate mail, announce that the video is PH’s own doing (which, obviously, it is) and that ultimately, it makes everything better and that — even through all the BS — we all like each other, a lot. Or not. I’m “endeared” be this wheel of fortune.
how was rugby practice?
Please take that down. That’s hard to watch. It really shouldn’t exist.
You rejected his rejection of you, and so he re-rejected you in a way that you didn’t reject, and you’re now showing said rejection of you, and he’s not ‘suckered in.’ Or whatever his language was.
It feels dirty watching that. Like you’re picking on him too hard or something. I don’t like it.
voice is all quavery, phbro…u need a hug?
we didn’t reject his 2nd letter, didn’t realize he’d written a second until this video was fwd’d to me last night.
as for dirty, well, i didn’t write or film the thing.
get real, get real, think straight, you’ve lost your mind, you’re being used
not my problem
what are you doing blake butler? what are you doing?
are you ok?
i like the video, it is indeed absorbing, if fucked.
yeah, but you posted it. or someone posted it. so you’re complicit. i agree with BAC, it’s not very kind and doesn’t further anything and by posting it does feel like picking on him (and i understand he’s not saying nice things about giant, but the posting is hard to construe as anything but getting mean about a person). i had to stop watching.
LOL.
Rotel dip still contains Velveeta.
this is a blog
likewise
That karma shit is crazy real. Nuff said.
I don’t know, Blake, it just seems a bit over the top to show it to a bunch of people.
It’s like something a bully from a bad 80’s movie would do.
british and within context, a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4KaHi5IByg
this was a performance made to be seen so i dont see how this bullies. and it’s actually a very good performance too. i don’t think it’s phrased or framed meanly here, in invitation to be picked on, although it says some less than flattering stuff itself. honestly, i think it’s worth watching, just for what p.h. does in it, its a weirdly entrancing video, it has a strange rambling, introspective quality, like it’s not quite sure it’s started yet. it makes me think he;s a very interesting person i’d like to know, even if i found the stuff he said to roxane especially rank
well, he posted it elsewhere, so i imagine he is interested in having people see it.
if he asks that i take it down, out of that respect i will gladly do so.
otherwise, it is what it is.
and this is comment box.
not saying that that’s what you are, i think at the time it probably seemed like a good idea to post it, but um. . .
that’s just hard to see.
Rock on.
Considering that HTMLGIANT isn’t providing commentary on the video, but simply re-posting what was published in a public format (which can be set so as not to be able to be re-posted), this seems perfectly valid to me. Publishing one’s critics actually borders on…responsibility. If anyone is making fun, the people in the comment stream are the culprits, and that can happen just as easily on the youtube page.
Actually quite endearing.
honestly it made me like him more than i did before, even if i think he’s way off from anything like reality.
i didn’t mean it meanly, regardless of how it comes off.
i agree, in a way
The only thing I want to change is the still frame YouTube picked. Makes me look more domineering than I am.
I agree. The video is great but that frame isn’t quite right for the flavor
(not an endorsement of content)
agreed again
Yes.
I’m Spartacus.
it’s very endearing. at the same time a bit nauseating. and i know posting it wasn’t meant meanly. just felt that way, especially with the making fun comments. i don’t know. was just under the assumption the guy didn’t want it here. guess he seems okay with it though, so nevermind.
No, I am Spartacus!
the most endearing thing is that rumpled white collar.
On second thought, now that I got to the end, not that endearing. Discomfiting.
I’m Spartacus!!!
you’re a strange guy, paul. good to see you still at it.
NO! I’m Spartacus!
I’m Garth!
Me too. I have hugged her.
great video. more people should do these. human.
‘it’s not very kind’.. but ‘endearing’
irony is funny.
hey paul,
you can’t self-aggrandize and be insecure in the same movement. work on that.
i actually have respect for you today. i am proud of you.
i am really not sure why i am being associated with HTMLG since i am only an individual and constantly am fighting with half of its contributors. but it it nice to know i dominate your mind so much that you feel the need to talk bad of me when there is no need to.
in other words, it is nice to validate my assumption.
anyways, ignore that part. the video is great.
from the <3
These comments are interesting. It’s sort of the ultimate criticism of something that was made for publication—which in this case actually consists of a plea for publication—to accuse the person publishing it of being mean for publishing it because it makes the person who made it look bad.
hahaha so people thought the video of the retard baby speaking gibberish and slithering on wet linoleum wasn’t unfairly exploitative but this is?
what is wrong with you people.
once the ipad came out I was sold.
u joinin’ the army, bro? ;)
Met her at AWP and didn’t get to talk to her enough. Like her a lot. Would like to count myself as one of her friends at some point.
Also, nothing but respect for her posts.
LAME.
I am, too.
Hey I actually like that shirt.
i don’t think anyone said the video wasn’t unfairly exploitative. the video completely is. but so is other. both seemed to be.
uh, the ‘not very kind’ was in reference to posting it here.
Hey Paul.
You made the exact YouTube video a twelve year old girl makes. Was this a parody?
QED.
it’s like donald rumsfeld up in here.
funny, i saw no expressed outrage in the posting of the other video.
htmlgiant. where stars make dreams, and dreams make stars.
OK, this is my 3rd attempt, i think: hey rebekah, i live in chicago too. and i also edit(ed) a lit journal. it is here: http://www.mediafire.com/?hdykh1d1tmt
it has tao lin & kendra grant malone & brandon scott gorrell & zachary german & peoples in it.
can me and your crew like you know “join forces”/”chill” or something? i don’t have enough friends. landon just moved to austin. i’m not awkward or pathetic, but i would like to meet some “likeminded folks” in chi.
stephen.dierks@gmail.com
Me too.
And I think to tell somebody they’re a token or being “used,” as though they’ve got not voice or agency, and as though they haven’t themselves considered the very issues you’re raising is its own form of arrogance.
I have to admit: I am fascinated by P.H. Madore.
He is on here – and seriously heated about what is going on here – so he has some sort of affinity for literature. Which in so many ways gives him a leg-up on the other 98% of the population (Philistines). So I want feel like there something is there; some sort of rational common ground to appeal to. I am predisposed to feel this way. I want to feel this way. There is all this passion for something – for the discussion of books(!!!) – which, when you boil it down it an almost binary level, he and I share. Along with the rest of us. I watch this and I want know what he’s reading; I want to know what he’s loved; I want to know what he dove into and came out the other end different; what he’s read that made him know he will read for the rest of his life. I want to know where and when all this energy was positive, and how it turned into hate.
there was another video? i’m just all confused. i meant posting the thing here felt unnecessary. i meant: the vid is exploitative, posting it here felt so too. my words were unclear, sorry. now, i don’tknow what is happening. i just felt sad when i watched this poor guy saying hateful things that he probably didn’t need to say. i felt bad for the people he was saying them too. i felt sorry that it got posted here because it seemed like making fun of him. i probably misread intents and etc. there seemed to be littleness, lowness. i’m hungover and that does this to me.
the british folk commenting are particularly engaging.
phm, I don’t know if you ever saw it, but I called you a dick on here a few weeks ago. I don’t think I’ve changed my mind, but this video made me realise that I would probably really like you, were we to meet in real life.
Most of my closest friends are dicks.
I like the video, anyway. I’m not necessarily sure about everything or even most things that it expresses, but I like the video.
Just thought I’d say.
Rhetorically, you rip out the iPad and it’s butter. The qualities of butter, I mean.
“Most of my closest friends are dicks”
that’s what she said
british people are pretty great
there are no videos like this in britain
Clever.
Post a video by a guy who is kind of bent over by his disappointment with HTML Giant. Then, keep quiet. And don’t comment, just let the video be its own sort of condescension. Finally, when people start hating on the hate mail, announce that the video is PH’s own doing (which, obviously, it is) and that ultimately, it makes everything better and that — even through all the BS — we all like each other, a lot. Or not. I’m “endeared” be this wheel of fortune.
how was rugby practice?
voice is all quavery, phbro…u need a hug?
LOL.
Rotel dip still contains Velveeta.
british and within context, a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4KaHi5IByg
I’m Spartacus.
No, I am Spartacus!
I’m Spartacus!!!
NO! I’m Spartacus!
I’m Garth!
I feel like my parents are fighting.
once the ipad came out I was sold.
Not sure why I should care what some kid who was born in 1987 has to say.
u joinin’ the army, bro? ;)
What’s your cut-off date?
This is dumb.
Hey I actually like that shirt.
QED.
OK, this is my 3rd attempt, i think: hey rebekah, i live in chicago too. and i also edit(ed) a lit journal. it is here: http://www.mediafire.com/?hdykh1d1tmt
it has tao lin & kendra grant malone & brandon scott gorrell & zachary german & peoples in it.
can me and your crew like you know “join forces”/”chill” or something? i don’t have enough friends. landon just moved to austin. i’m not awkward or pathetic, but i would like to meet some “likeminded folks” in chi.
stephen.dierks@gmail.com
Writers who were older than 14 on 9/11.
Rhetorically, you rip out the iPad and it’s butter. The qualities of butter, I mean.
seems like you feel more lonely and hopeless than angry. and i don’t think you want people to feel sorry for you, but i do. to lash out at someone because she has friends? roxane is so honest, it feels harsh at times. i know because she is a very good friend of mine. in real life. is she being used? where do you even get that? SHE takes advantage by utilizing various forums (or fora – don’t want the grammar police enraged) to air her thoughts and opinions which, unlike yours, are generally well-substantiated. you ask if she’s lost her mind … wtf does that even mean?
you have every right to post your video on youtube and the powers that be at html giant have every right to re-post. i found the video sad, repetitive, lacking in substance, and, quite frankly, dull. you may ask why i am posting a comment. For two reasons: (1) i wonder if YOU are ok and truly hope you are, and (2) because you can say crap about me (and perhaps you will), but i have a hard time staying silent when a friend is attacked.
I feel like my parents are fighting.
Not sure why I should care what some kid who was born in 1987 has to say.
What’s your cut-off date?
This is dumb.
Writers who were older than 14 on 9/11.
Dude needs a cuddle.
seems like you feel more lonely and hopeless than angry. and i don’t think you want people to feel sorry for you, but i do. to lash out at someone because she has friends? roxane is so honest, it feels harsh at times. i know because she is a very good friend of mine. in real life. is she being used? where do you even get that? SHE takes advantage by utilizing various forums (or fora – don’t want the grammar police enraged) to air her thoughts and opinions which, unlike yours, are generally well-substantiated. you ask if she’s lost her mind … wtf does that even mean?
you have every right to post your video on youtube and the powers that be at html giant have every right to re-post. i found the video sad, repetitive, lacking in substance, and, quite frankly, dull. you may ask why i am posting a comment. For two reasons: (1) i wonder if YOU are ok and truly hope you are, and (2) because you can say crap about me (and perhaps you will), but i have a hard time staying silent when a friend is attacked.
oh snap! his birthday is August 1. BURN! care to comment, MFBomb?
yes, yes, still 14 but a magical number of days at 14 before the heinous acts of 9/11
Dude needs a cuddle.
oh snap! his birthday is August 1. BURN! care to comment, MFBomb?
yes, yes, still 14 but a magical number of days at 14 before the heinous acts of 9/11
STEPHEN YOU LIED TO ZZZZIPPP
NOW ZZZZZIPPP HAS A STORY FOR WHENEVER THEY DO A “BAD EDITORS” POST!!!!!!!
STEPHEN YOU LIED TO ZZZZIPPP
NOW ZZZZZIPPP HAS A STORY FOR WHENEVER THEY DO A “BAD EDITORS” POST!!!!!!!
be friends
Oh good. If you’d said the Oklahoma City bombing, I’d have been out. I’ve learned amazing things from 14 year-olds.You should listen to young people.
WELL MAYBE
BUT ONLY BECAUSE LES HABITANTS HAVE PUT ME IN A GOOD MOOD
be friends
Oh good. If you’d said the Oklahoma City bombing, I’d have been out. I’ve learned amazing things from 14 year-olds.You should listen to young people.
Guess I’m not sure Paul’s an AWP kind of guy. When I think of him, he’s holding a gun and wearing a uniform. Serving the country. He’s actually the only human being I know who is currently serving in the military.
WELL MAYBE
BUT ONLY BECAUSE LES HABITANTS HAVE PUT ME IN A GOOD MOOD
Guess I’m not sure Paul’s an AWP kind of guy. When I think of him, he’s holding a gun and wearing a uniform. Serving the country. He’s actually the only human being I know who is currently serving in the military.
ha. touché
ha. touché
jesus christ. its so hard to find a reason to come to this blog anymore… you almost miss the gems…
last time i saw madore we were in chicago and he was almost too drunk to stand and certainly too drunk to throw a punch and i talked him out of a fistfight with jacob. i thought he was a douche until that day. now i kinda love him…
jesus christ. its so hard to find a reason to come to this blog anymore… you almost miss the gems…
last time i saw madore we were in chicago and he was almost too drunk to stand and certainly too drunk to throw a punch and i talked him out of a fistfight with jacob. i thought he was a douche until that day. now i kinda love him…
Ain’t skirred.
Doodle.
Oi.
Ain’t skirred.
Doodle.
Oi.
Him and my Brother in Law are the only two I know at the moment
Him and my Brother in Law are the only two I know at the moment
Nah. October 13th, 1987.
Nah. October 13th, 1987.