October 8th, 2009 / 5:41 pm
Snippets

32 Comments

  1. Justin Taylor

      Ken, with all due respect I can’t believe you’re giving Choire Sicha and co. the benefit of the doubt over Mark Greif. The very first sentence of Greif’s essay, “Gays are our utopian heroes” establishes a definitive context in which to understand the argument that follows. Sicha and Scocca both ignore (or just don’t understand) the actual premise of his essay. If you read the actual article, and consider it on its own terms, I think you’ll find it rather more difficult to discount.

  2. Justin Taylor

      Ken, with all due respect I can’t believe you’re giving Choire Sicha and co. the benefit of the doubt over Mark Greif. The very first sentence of Greif’s essay, “Gays are our utopian heroes” establishes a definitive context in which to understand the argument that follows. Sicha and Scocca both ignore (or just don’t understand) the actual premise of his essay. If you read the actual article, and consider it on its own terms, I think you’ll find it rather more difficult to discount.

  3. Justin Taylor

      Ken, with all due respect I can’t believe you’re giving Choire Sicha and co. the benefit of the doubt over Mark Greif. The very first sentence of Greif’s essay, “Gays are our utopian heroes” establishes a definitive context in which to understand the argument that follows. Sicha and Scocca both ignore (or just don’t understand) the actual premise of his essay. If you read the actual article, and consider it on its own terms, I think you’ll find it rather more difficult to discount.

  4. chris

      Funniest quote of the year.

  5. chris

      Funniest quote of the year.

  6. chris

      Funniest quote of the year.

  7. christian

      i don’t know — the premise was interesting and the article started out well, but by the end it seemed like something out of a bad woody allen movie (interiors, maybe), and greif ended up sounding like the creepy 30-something trying to chat up the drunk 20-something at the bar.

      scocca’s comments weren’t real criticism, but they were pretty funny.

      that said, i disagree with the comment about nplusone overall, and i think greif has written some good stuff.

      full disclosure (because i got called out one time for defending a friend on here): i’m friends with some nplusone folks, but not greif.

      i wish my parents had named me mark greif.

  8. christian

      i don’t know — the premise was interesting and the article started out well, but by the end it seemed like something out of a bad woody allen movie (interiors, maybe), and greif ended up sounding like the creepy 30-something trying to chat up the drunk 20-something at the bar.

      scocca’s comments weren’t real criticism, but they were pretty funny.

      that said, i disagree with the comment about nplusone overall, and i think greif has written some good stuff.

      full disclosure (because i got called out one time for defending a friend on here): i’m friends with some nplusone folks, but not greif.

      i wish my parents had named me mark greif.

  9. christian

      i don’t know — the premise was interesting and the article started out well, but by the end it seemed like something out of a bad woody allen movie (interiors, maybe), and greif ended up sounding like the creepy 30-something trying to chat up the drunk 20-something at the bar.

      scocca’s comments weren’t real criticism, but they were pretty funny.

      that said, i disagree with the comment about nplusone overall, and i think greif has written some good stuff.

      full disclosure (because i got called out one time for defending a friend on here): i’m friends with some nplusone folks, but not greif.

      i wish my parents had named me mark greif.

  10. Ken Baumann

      I’m not; sorry, I shoulda put some sort of disclaimer. I actually think the essay is fascinating & pretty well-formed (I’ve got my problems with it). But Choire and co. are funny and right on, I think, in quite a few ripostes.

      The quote made me LOL buckets.

  11. Ken Baumann

      I’m not; sorry, I shoulda put some sort of disclaimer. I actually think the essay is fascinating & pretty well-formed (I’ve got my problems with it). But Choire and co. are funny and right on, I think, in quite a few ripostes.

      The quote made me LOL buckets.

  12. Ken Baumann

      I’m not; sorry, I shoulda put some sort of disclaimer. I actually think the essay is fascinating & pretty well-formed (I’ve got my problems with it). But Choire and co. are funny and right on, I think, in quite a few ripostes.

      The quote made me LOL buckets.

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  16. alec niedenthal

      i think keith gessen’s tumblr is overall the funniest thing

  17. alec niedenthal

      i think keith gessen’s tumblr is overall the funniest thing

  18. alec niedenthal

      i think keith gessen’s tumblr is overall the funniest thing

  19. Gian

      BALK

  20. Gian

      BALK

  21. Gian

      BALK

  22. Gian

      And…I still don’t understand what he means by calling gays utopian heroes. Is Mark Grief gay? It doesn’t sound like it.

  23. Gian

      And…I still don’t understand what he means by calling gays utopian heroes. Is Mark Grief gay? It doesn’t sound like it.

  24. Gian

      And…I still don’t understand what he means by calling gays utopian heroes. Is Mark Grief gay? It doesn’t sound like it.

  25. Gian

      And abortion is lovelier than marriage. Much lovelier.

  26. Gian

      And abortion is lovelier than marriage. Much lovelier.

  27. Gian

      And abortion is lovelier than marriage. Much lovelier.

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