May 16th, 2013 / 3:17 pm
Mean

Maybe if…

Maybe if Syrian people started being blown up while running marathons in Boston then the white race would care more about it…

Men in partial or full military dress went door to door, separating men — and boys 10 and older — from women and younger children.

Residents said some gunmen were from the National Defense Forces, the new framework for pro-government militias, mainly Alawites in the Baniyas area. They bludgeoned and shot men, shot or stabbed families to death and burned houses and bodies.

– “Grisly Killings in Syrian Towns Dim Hopes for Peace Talks,” Anne Barnard

… Although, according to Baby Adolf, if you want attention for being killed by the boatloads then you should probably be J E W I S H.

Speaking of that, Baby Idi is having a hard time comprehending that “Jewish, New York sense of humor.” Is there anyone out there that can elucidate it for him?

… Anywho, Baby Marie-Antoinette could really use a soft cherry cream cheese croissant right about now.

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70 Comments

  1. mimi

      you should stick around, MM, HTMLG could use more voices like yours

      you can still learn interesting things about literature at this site

      [and about ‘community’ – in the comment threads – ha ha]

      altho perhaps it shouldn’t be (and prolly isn’t) the only site you ‘depend on’ for such things

      also, i’m pretty sure that ND, one of the most ‘traditional’ universities around, would consider SO a “non traditional student” – or maybe not, idk…

  2. mimi

      aww thanks emmab

      : )

  3. Don

      Yes.

  4. deadgod

      I think you’re right that Rosenbaum’s blogicle does nothing to reinforce the assertion that Oelbaum’s writing is anti-Semitic; Adam’s thumbnail sketch of Oelbaum’s purposes seems perfectly fair.

      But you’re too easy on Rosenbaum; the thrust of the blogicle is in its subtitle: “Calling people ‘Holocaust-obsessed’ is the new holocaust denial.”

      (“[H]olocaust denial”? Holocaust denial is inexcusable by or to reason; if one can make it stick as a comparable, no fineness of mind will rescue what it’s stuck to.)

      I’m pretty Holocaust-obsessed–and why not? I think the Sebald point (that Rosenbaum quotes and admirably qualifies) is accurate: “no serious person thinks of anything else”. No serious person disregards the enormity of the Shoah, nor, I’d add, fails to condemn its neglect.

      Such denial is not what Rosenbaum is illuminating in, say, putting ‘peace activist’ in scare quotes.

      I think a different agenda is at work in the blogicle.

      I think Rosenbaum wants the malicious impatience of “Holocaust-obsessed” to taint any criticism of Israeli policy, or of the Israeli Right’s ability to align America’s interests with that faction’s understanding of Israel’s.

      I don’t think Rosenbaum tries hard to cherrypick associations to “Holocaust-obsessed”, either.

      Do you know the writing (or televised punditry) of Peter Beinart, whose book The Crisis in Zionism Rosenbaum refers to in approving–“astute”–a hostile review it attracted?

      Beinart is what neo-cons call a ‘self-hating Jew’.

      In my view, Beinart is not a self-hating Jew, nor a self-hating anything.

      Beinart is a critic of settlement Israel, and I think that, in attacking the ugly phrase ‘Holocaust-obsessed’, this perspective is Rosenbaum’s real target.

      I think Rosenbaum wants the “catastrophe” he “see[s] coming”–if it does come–to be seen as Beinart’s fault.

      I think Rosenbaum wants the “catastrophe” he “see[s] coming” to be understood as having nothing to do with “the exterminationist threats” being experienced right now by people whose ancestors not 100 years ago lived in today’s “downtown Tel Aviv”.

      Rosenbaum’s emphasis on the depravity of dismissing the Shoah seems to me to be an indulgence in ‘Nakba inconsequentialism’.

  5. deadgod

      indulge interest in postmodernity, shrug (punctuated by smirk), converse, respectively

  6. deadgod

      It is not anti-Semitic to point out what one finds to be inconsistencies and imbalances in America’s general and/or official views of the world.

      It is not anti-Semitic to point out what one finds to be inconsistencies and imbalances in America’s general and/or official views of the world in corrosive or inflammatory terms.

      It is not anti-Semitic to wonder in corrosive or inflammatory language about the causes of inconsistencies and imbalances in America’s general and/or official views of the world.

      Some of the attention Oelbaum gets here has not to do with his “anti-Semitism”, but rather, is chastisement for his… seeking attention. It is not anti-Semitic to delight in irony.

  7. deadgod

      In what sense is Johannes saying ‘don’t criticize people whose opinions upset you’??

      Trolling, as I understand things, is ‘saying things at a distance exclusively to excite distress’. (Your sense that trolling could be for the purpose of exciting enlightenment through distress seems to me oxymoronic: ‘there are ‘trolls’ who want to use distress to create critical awareness.’ I think that’s not trolling–that is, that calling that ‘trolling’ is to say unlike things are alike. For example, A Modest Proposal is, in my view, not trolling. If you think it is, what term do you suggest to discriminate Swift from someone who insults personally on the internet from NO argumentative position?)

      He points out–in the blogicle and comments–that (and how, a bit) calling someone a ‘troll’ is disciplinary: a silencing tactic.

      The reason people do this, Jöhannes suggests, is to avoid interacting with “opinions [that] upset [them]” (or to avoid defending their own points of view).

      I think he’s saying that, regardless of actual trolls–who aren’t advancing topical points of view–, calling someone who is standing for some topical perspective–as I think Oelbaum does–a ‘troll’ is, precisely, telling that person not to voice their “upsetting” opinion.

      ?

  8. Guest

      Not sure why HTML Giant allows people to write that are basically just trolling to get traffic to their own blogs..

  9. Jeremy Hopkins

      Yeah, I’m pretty sick of “_____ is the new”-statements. (I won’t be writing a blogicle about it, though.) I first remember hearing them made about how “____ is the new black,” and now ostensibly serious writers use this throwaway fashion phrase to lazily piggyback their ideas onto buzzwords.
      The article contained some interesting facts, but they didn’t support his subtitled “thesis.” They were just there: informative, but not compelling in context.

      I don’t know Beinart.

      The latest “If you’re critical of Israel, you’re basically an enemy”-point I heard was someone on the radio news saying that not supporting Israel’s particular military strategies means you’re against the free practice of religion; like we have in the Bill of Rights—yes—the Bill of Rights in the Constitution of the USA. I’ve never read the Israeli constitution, and I was forced to wonder if the woman talking had. Maybe she had, and maybe they have it, and maybe it’s not an outright absurd thing to say, but it sure felt that way when I heard it.

  10. deadgod

      ‘I’m sick of “X is the new Y” assertions’ is the new ‘I’m sick of Z’.

      Maybe Oelbaum’s act is uglier than it seems to me–that’s sure what people are excited to say. I read Baby Adolf and dressing up Anne Frank and I think, ew. I appreciate sophomoric humor and the use of offense to startle enlighteningly; Oelbaum doesn’t benefit by comparison to Aristophanes and Swift, but that’s the–I think, easily recognizable–genre: harsh satire.

      There’s plenty of real anti-Semitism in the US–and in perhaps-unexpected places: some of Likud’s strongest allies in America are evangelical rwnjs who think that, pre-Rapture, the Jews of Israel will convert to Christianity – or, you know, what happens to Jewish people who don’t see the light. There are millions of these people, many are motivated voters, and they’re, almost unbelievably, Israel’s ‘friends’, from, say, Nixonyahoo’s point of view. (As I remember, it was Sharon who warned that some American conservatives are not the philosemites Israeli conservatives might think they are.)

      But–to me, anyway–seeing how much traction Don gets with the unsubstantiated term ‘anti-Semite’ is unsettling.

  11. Jeremy Hopkins

      “Anti-Semite” is the new “teenager.” So then, what do we call real anti-Semites? This is the problem, one with which we need professional cultural critics willing to contend, ideally in forums and venues their targets shall never enter.
      And, sure, I’d bet some of the Moral-Majority-hangover, pro-[there being a state of]-Israel guys were only in it for the end-times.

  12. Guest

      “lol @ the concept of a unified ‘white race'” – Eastern Europe

  13. SAM

      lol @ “white race”

  14. A D Jameson

      Thanks, Don!

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  16. Jackson Mace

      At this point, HTMLgiant is one japanese tentacle porn post away from being a slightly stupider 4chan

  17. ZZZZZIPPP

      SEEMS LIKE YOU CAN’T BE A VERY INTERESTING PERSON IF YOU THINK BEING A WRITER IS A LICENSE TO ACT HOWEVER YOU WANT

  18. ZZZZZIPPP

      ZZZZIPP HADN’T EVEN READ TAO LIN REALLY AT THAT POINT BUT HE HAPPENED TO BE READING HIS BLOG THE DAY HTMLG LAUNCHED

      CONSIDERING ZZZIPP JUST TOLD THAT GUY HTMLG ISN’T ABOUT TAO LIN PROBABLY THAT IS THE MORE IRONIC SCENARIO

      MIMI ZZZIPP AGREES WITH EMMA BINDER BELOW

  19. Guest

      It’s funny how you make these sorts of points about me on Seth Oelbaum comment threads. “Licence to act however you want”–I’m not even sure what this means in this context, nor do I see what I’ve posted on this thread that has offended you so deeply, especially considering the original post.

  20. mimi

      mimi used to read tao lin’s blog too some times
      she liked when tao would reply: [@so-n-so] “damn/sweet” to comments

      [did i use enuf punctuation there?]

      & thanx, zipperoo, re: “EMMA BINDER BELOW”

      luv on ya, baby
      oops, i mean ‘photon’